sleeper;1335466 wrote:Well in the SEC you only have to wake up twice a year to play a good team. The thing people forget about the SEC is their records are bloated because they have a lot of garbage teams in conference and a garbage OOC schedule.

I personally cannot wait for bowl season when the SEC is embarrassed(although Alabama will win the NC and people will ignore their upcoming dismal bowl record).

This is ironic considering your alma mater.

I've often wondered the point of conferences myself, aside from easier scheduling and a banner to hang in somone's gym.

ernest_t_bass;1334855 wrote:I'd love to see:

1 vs 8 - Alabama vs. LSU
2 vs. 7 - LSU vs. Alabama
3 vs. 6 - Nick Saban vs. Les Miles
4 vs. 5 - LSU vs. Alabama

LOL. Reps

friendfromlowry;1335707 wrote:This is ironic considering your alma mater.

Oh yeah a team who's champion has 5 losses plays a bunch of nobody's. Sorry, the B1G is the deepest conference in the country; they beat up on each other like no other conference in the country.

HitsRus;1335597 wrote:I think it's ludicrous that teams that don't win their conference get to play for the NC. How stupid is that? You want to be National Champ?...then win your conference, and then beat the other conferences. No second chances.Period.

So you're against wild cards in pro baseball and football?

If you can't even win your own division you obviously aren't the best team.

Mulva;1335771 wrote:So you're against wild cards in pro baseball and football?

If you can't even win your own division you obviously aren't the best team.

In those sports, you win your division and you are in. If they eliminated wildcards, the integrity of the sport would still remain.

FatHobbit;1335682 wrote:Do you want to reward a team that wasn't good enough to play in their conference title game? IMHO if you are taking 2 teams from a conference it should be the two who played for the title, not the one who won and another who was "lucky" enough to not have to play.

I do agree that the SEC situation is dumb with Florida in over Georgia even though Georgia was on the doorstep of the national championship game.

So you're against wild cards in pro baseball and football?

pro leagues are a diffferent animal...it's all about generating the $$$$.
Even then, I don't like wild cards for the same reason....at most, one wild card is enough.

Most of this debate about allowing a 5 loss Wisconsin team to play is a moot ridiculous point. The playoff system proposed is 4 teams...and it should n't be any more. That's why an 8 team playoff is no good....because it allows teams who didn't take care of business in the regular season in. In a four team playoff Wisky doesn't get in, because there are plenty of other conferences and teams with better records to fill 4 spots.

HitsRus;1335928 wrote:pro leagues are a diffferent animal...it's all about generating the $$$$.
Even then, I don't like wild cards for the same reason....at most, one wild card is enough.

Most of this debate about allowing a 5 loss Wisconsin team to play is a moot ridiculous point. The playoff system proposed is 4 teams...and it should n't be any more. That's why an 8 team playoff is no good....because it allows teams who didn't take care of business in the regular season in. In a four team playoff Wisky doesn't get in, because there are plenty of other conferences and teams with better records to fill 4 spots.

I agree I don't mind the 4-team playoff, but you should have to be a conference champion to get in. If SEC teams don't like it, move to the B1G and get BLOWN THE FUCK OUT week after week.

I find it funny that the fans who say that college football has the best regular season in sports and every game matters immediately wants to pretend like nothing happened and has consequence for the 'playoffs'. We should all forget that the SEC named their champion in a game in Atlanta. Or The PAC-12, the Big Ten, ACC, MAC, C-USA. That Big 12 and Big East final weekend crowned their champions, etc.

If the regular season is a playoff (the mantra repeated constantly in the fight of a playoff), suddenly we get do-overs.

Take the SEC, PAC-12, Big 12, Big Ten, ACC and Big East champions. Take the two highest rated teams outside the big-six, Notre Dame and in this case, Northern Illinois. Seed them 1 through 8. Bracket them. Let them crown a champion. If you lose, you're done. Same as in the regular season. Win your conference. No do-overs. No pretending that Alabama-LSU didn't happen. Or, Alabama-Georgia. Or Georgia-Florida. We're crowning a champion, not 'best'. If you want to name the best, a tournament, a playoff, or a bowl game will not suffice.

Because the best can lose. Every favorite that failed to win suffered that fate.

sleeper;1335763 wrote:Oh yeah a team who's champion has 5 losses plays a bunch of nobody's. Sorry, the B1G is the deepest conference in the country; they beat up on each other like no other conference in the country.

I think amongst your mumbo jumbo you meant to say "Oh yeah a conference*" then you went on to prove my own point by bringing up Wisconsin's (irrelevant and unimpressive) record. Then you made some false claim that statistics from the past decade would disprove, anyways. The only thing that's missing is claiming that B1G schools also remain as high institutions of learning and integrity even though the best two teams in the conference couldn't play in any bowls this year.

Should be a 16 team playoff anyways. Take the 11 conference champions. Let the other 5 be at large based off of rank (independents ranked top 16 get in). Limit conference to 2 teams. Seed them on once you have your 16. This year you have:

1. Notre Dame vs 16.Arkansas St.
8. Florida St vs. 9. Northern Illinois

4. Oregon vs 13. Louisville
5. Kansas St.vs 12. Boise St.


2. Alabama vs 15.Tulsa
7. Oklahoma vs 10. Clemson

3. Florida vs 14.Wisconsin
6. Stanford vs 11. Utah St.

sleeper;1335471 wrote:Vanderbilt vs. North Carolina State
LSU vs. Clemson
Northwestern vs. Mississippi State
South Carolina vs. Michigan
Georgia vs. Nebraska
Florida vs. Louisville
Texas A&M vs. Oklahoma.
Ole Miss vs. Pittsburgh
Notre Dame vs. Alabama


3-6 is my prediction. The SEC is essentially gifted 3 wins because they got easy match ups against the Big East and Notre Dame. I personally can't wait for hapless Nebraska to run the train on Georgia. If LSU(or any team outside of Bama) had an offense, I could see them beating Clemson.

See South Carolina. 10th in SEC in Yards Per Game and 4th in PPG.

sportswizuhrd;1336038 wrote:See South Carolina. 10th in SEC in Yards Per Game and 4th in PPG.

Sleeper used to at least use stats when he did his trolling. Now he just makes stuff up and hopes that nobody will call him out on it. Very disappointed.

sportswizuhrd;1336038 wrote:See South Carolina. 10th in SEC in Yards Per Game and 4th in PPG.

Exceptions don't make the rule.

The playoffs need to happen. No exceptions.

sleeper;1336140 wrote:Exceptions don't make the rule.

Please provide examples that make up the rule.

sportswizuhrd;1336350 wrote:Please provide examples that make up the rule.

PPG 2012 season. 1 SEC school LOL.

1	Louisiana Tech	12	84	12	76	1	0	618	51.5
2	Oregon	12	85	5	79	3	0	610	50.8
3	Texas A&M	12	72	13	64	1	0	537	44.8
4	Oklahoma State	12	66	25	65	0	0	536	44.7
5	Baylor	12	69	16	65	1	0	529	44.1
6	Clemson	12	65	17	59	3	1	508	42.3
7	West Virginia	12	67	11	62	1	0	499	41.6
8	Marshall	12	65	13	60	1	0	491	40.9
9	Northern Illinois	13	70	14	68	0	0	530	40.8
10	Kansas State	12	62	18	62	0	0	488	40.7
11	North Carolina	12	62	17	56	4	0	487	40.6
12	Fresno State	12	65	11	56	2	0	483	40.3
12	Oklahoma	12	63	15	56	1	1	483	40.3
14	Florida State	13	64	24	61	1	0	519	39.9

Top 25 Total offense. 2 SEC school(actually a B12 school).

1	Baylor	12	2706	4239	992	6945	7.00	578.8
2	Louisiana Tech	12	2726	4209	1054	6935	6.58	577.9
3	Texas A&M	12	2821	3807	959	6628	6.91	552.3
4	Oregon	12	3879	2722	989	6601	6.67	550.1
5	Oklahoma State	12	2586	4001	939	6587	7.01	548.9
6	Marshall	12	2030	4381	1087	6411	5.90	534.3
7	Arizona	12	2765	3497	999	6262	6.27	521.8
8	West Virginia	12	2134	4088	940	6222	6.62	518.5
9	Clemson	12	2390	3830	962	6220	6.47	518.3
10	Oklahoma	12	1980	4101	922	6081	6.60	506.8
11	Nevada	12	3120	2914	975	6034	6.19	502.8
12	Texas Tech	12	1674	4343	922	6017	6.53	501.4
13	Troy	12	2007	3978	966	5985	6.20	498.8
14	Fresno State	12	1991	3871	929	5862	6.31	488.5
15	Northern Illinois	13	3252	3063	950	6315	6.65	485.8
16	North Carolina	12	2326	3501	898	5827	6.49	485.6
17	Arkansas State	12	2628	3154	883	5782	6.55	481.8
18	Houston	12	1809	3941	984	5750	5.84	479.2
19	Tennessee	12	1924	3787	890	5711	6.42	475.9
20	UCLA	13	2638	3531	1015	6169	6.08	474.5
21	Syracuse	12	2062	3619	939	5681	6.05	473.4
22	Ball State	12	2571	3085	976	5656	5.80	471.3
23	Florida State	13	2639	3418	866	6057	6.99	465.9
24	Nebraska	13	3308	2700	961	6008	6.25	462.2
25	Tulsa	13	3123	2867	1077	5990	5.56	460.8

^^Haha you must hate the SEC! :laugh:

I thought this was about needing an offense to beat Clemson? Shouldn't we compare the offenses that Clemson played to the offenses in the SEC? Louisiana Tech and Baylor offenses don't mean anything...

Clemson's opponents and SEC conference members...

PPG
Texas A&M 44.8
FSU 39.9 Clemson lost 49-37
Alabama 38.5
Georgia 37.2
Tennessee 36.2
Ball State 35
GTEch 34.5
S.Carolina 31.4 Clemson lost 24-17
Duke 31.3
Ole Miss 30.9
Miss St. 30.3
LSU 30.3
Vandy 29.3
NC State 28.4
Florida 26.8
Vtech 26.1
Missouri 25.8
Arkansas 23.5
Maryland 20.1
BC 19.8
Auburn 18.7
Wake 18.5
Kentucky 17.9

Yards per game...
Texas A&M 552.3
Tennessee 475.9
Ball State 471.3
FSU 465.9
Georgia 458.3
GTEch 446.6
Alabama 439.1
Ole Miss 426.8
NC State 420.9
Arkansas 420.2
Duke 396.6
Vandy 392.6
Vtech 391.8
Miss St. 389.4
LSU 387.2
S.Carolina 372.4
Missouri 356.4
BC 349.4
Florida 338
Kentucky 315
Auburn 305
Wake 301.3
Maryland 284.8

The 2 teams Clemson lost to are 2nd and 12th in YPG on defense and 7th and 13th in scoring defense. LSU is 8th and 11th in those categories.

That's a lot of numbers for a conference that's going 3-6 in bowl games(would be 0-9 if they weren't playing a bunch of powderpuffs).

HitsRus;1335928 wrote:pro leagues are a diffferent animal...it's all about generating the $$$$.
Even then, I don't like wild cards for the same reason....at most, one wild card is enough.

Most of this debate about allowing a 5 loss Wisconsin team to play is a moot ridiculous point. The playoff system proposed is 4 teams...and it should n't be any more. That's why an 8 team playoff is no good....because it allows teams who didn't take care of business in the regular season in. In a four team playoff Wisky doesn't get in, because there are plenty of other conferences and teams with better records to fill 4 spots.

Agreed. The BCS formula gets the top 4 right or close enough and by using this method then taking the top 4 only it maintains the importance of the regular season. And that's part of the excitement of cfb. There is little room for error If you want to stay in the nc picture.

IMHO: What we really should have is 5-6 sixteen team super-conferences called division one. The winners of those conference championship games are in. That would leave 2-3 at large. High seeds host quarters, neutral bowl sites from semis and finals.

The lesser conferences should actually be a different division: MAC, Big East, Sun Belt, WAC, MWC, CUSA. They would have their own tournament, same format.

What could really separate the two divisions is stipends. Pay the upper levels beyond a scholarship.

Sonofanump;1336707 wrote:The lesser conferences should actually be a different division: MAC, Big East, Sun Belt, WAC, MWC, CUSA. They would have their own tournament, same format.

They would lose out on some money, come bowl season.