ptown_trojans_1;1326424 wrote:Cough, as usual, most claims to oh my god the Government is reading my emails talk is false, that was one of the previous versions and was changed.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/11/20/report-claiming-senator-leahy-is-about-to-make-email-privacy-even-worse-is-flawed/

And besides, does anyone really think this would have a chance of passing?
If anyone has been paying attention to the latest Cyber Security Bill (I doubt it on here), you know that the Senate killed it because of concerns it will hurt industry.
Now, suddenly, they will vote for a bill that completes ignores industry? Riiiight.

Keep the fear alive.

Then why do democrats bring up this kind of garbage and actually reduce it to a legitimate bill pending in congress? Who are these supposed Americans in congress? Why would even one of them propose giving numerous agencies such powers? How long will you keep glossing over the these radicals' attempts and maneuvers?

gut;1326091 wrote:Not brainwashed at all. I feel a bigger threat to my liberty is the FBI waiting hours or days to get a warrant on a suspected terrorist. I mean, what, I want to pay more money for the FBI to go the long-route to protect something that isn't all that secure or private in the first place, and that isn't particularly valuable to me?

It cracks me up to see all the conspiracy theorists and doomsdayers get fired up every month over a new bill when they voluntary open their kimono to the world daily on the internet.

Just like all the BS over TSA screening and the like "bwahamm grumble this is bullshit and I don't want to wait for hours in line". Going thru the airport has never been smoother.

And all the anti-govt types and libertarian get their panties in a bunch over the slightest thing. Put on your thinking cap and realize this isn't a big deal and being blown way out of proportion. "Ohhh, well, ohhhhh I don't have anything to hide but I don't want to govt to go looking at people who do because that will infringe on my rights".

If the govt wants to do bad things, they're going to do it. This doesn't stop them. The naive irrationality that people show sometimes, clinging to something that doesn't really exist in the first place.

Just a comment on what I bolded in your post.

After the "Patriot (sic) Act" was passed post 9-11, Orwell's prophesy had come full circle. I became enveloped to the degree of total engulfment as to our pretext for going to war with Iraq. I read countless books on the subject. But more importantly, I visited a few libertarian websites on a daily basis. Libertarians are staunchly anti interventionalists, as clearly written in essays by the framers of our constitution. Whereby I do agree that we no longer live in the days of Fred Flintstone, the Constitution's message was clear regarding freedoms.

But back to the libertarian websites that I frequented. Not only were my internet trevails monitored, but also my postings on 2 or 3 websites. So what is the point of my ramblings here?

From 2002 through 2008, I was in pharmaceutical sales which entailed at least once a year air traveling for training purposes. On four straight occasions, I was yanked out of the airport lines and ordered stripped down to my scivies....searched virtually everywhere sans a flashlight up my ass. Why? Internet activities...the only explanation. At that time, questioning the government's role in Iraq was akin to being a seditionist. I was monitoted and flagged. Bear in mind, I am very much white and don't fit any middle eastern profile.

We heve embarked on the journey into Orwell's world. In the future, when I order a pizza, will they bring up a screen showing that I am on cholesterol meds and be denied the pizza? Or will they charge me extra for delivery because 2 of my neighbors had been robbed recently?

In today's world, technology exists whereby through satelites, they can enter my world in any way they want to....including my bedroom if they so desire.

Someone famous, the name slips my mind said..."those that sacrifice their liberties for peace deserve neither" was correct.

Truer words were never spoken.

tk421;1326081 wrote:I don't understand the attitude that I have nothing to hide so why should I worry? That is just fucking amazing, that people are that unconcernced about the powers that the government are grabbing. Wow, just fucking wow. How brainwashed are people that we have a lot of people who have the same attitude as gut?

Are you so scared of terrorism, has the media done such a good job convincing you that everyone is out to get this country, that you are willing to let the government do whatever it wants? Does the 4th Amendment mean absolutely nothing now?

Reps to you. As an aside, the US could put a complete stop to middle eastern terrorism here in the states quite easily and cheaply. Just get the hell out of their countries, including the political interventions of their governments. But no....international bullying at an annual cost of 1.1 trillion gives us good wood in the morning.

QuakerOats;1326461 wrote:Then why do democrats bring up this kind of garbage and actually reduce it to a legitimate bill pending in congress? Who are these supposed Americans in congress? Why would even one of them propose giving numerous agencies such powers? How long will you keep glossing over the these radicals' attempts and maneuvers?

Take out the word democrats and put in the word politicians and I would have held my nose and repped you here. If you don't think republicans have wanted to get into our shorts since 9-11 hit, you are sadly mistaken.

The government feeds me, transports me, gives me a phone, gives me money for clothing, gives me shelter, and now, they protect me even MORE than they already do!!!!! I love America.

Some of you need to realize that the government is your best friend if you'll let it be.

My government gives me, and protects, my rights! What other government can say that!?!?!?

And remember: greed and abuse of power only exist in businesses so our leaders in the government would never abuse these powers.

I don't know what concerns me more. The invasion of privacy bill or the fact that a lot of people don't seem to care.