QuakerOats;1502354 wrote:The R's have put forth many great ideas; they never are reported upon because the media is complicit with the admin in continually floating the ridiculous notion that the R's are the party of "no". It is getting reallllllyyyy old.

Bottom line; Harry Reid will never let a republican idea see the light of day in the senate, nor would the imposter in the WH ever sign anything. Hence we are stuck with this horrific trainwreck unless it can somehow be defunded. Again, all of this brought to all of us 100% by democrats in a force-fed manner. To somehow try and twist that into a republican problem is ludicrous. How about the democrats grow up, admit they made a huge mistake, and take corrective action, after all, they created this mess. Where is their responsibility?????????????

SO, you blame the media and the other side?
Isn't there is thing called Fox news and the radio?
Use that pulpit for these great ideas.
Rise above the BS guys.

But they cannot concede ANYTHING. That would be an admission that The other side had at least a glimmer of glimmer of a good IDEA.

The R's WERE for national healthcare before they were against it. Then when Hillary tried to start a dialog about this in the mid 90s, They decided that heath care would be the new great class divider., and started their obstructionist campaign.

It's best to let all those poor people die, that way we have more revenue to pay for tax cuts.

ptown_trojans_1;1502360 wrote:SO, you blame the media and the other side?
Isn't there is thing called Fox news and the radio?
Use that pulpit for these great ideas.
Rise above the BS guys.

You continue to spin it as a R problem. It isn't. The dems forced obamakare on us; it is a massive boondoggle. The dems control the majority in DC; they could fix it, abandon it, defund it, if they wanted to ......but they won't. Only they have the power to solve this mess; we don't. What is so difficult to understand about that?

QuakerOats;1502381 wrote:You continue to spin it as a R problem. It isn't. The dems forced obamakare on us; it is a massive boondoggle. The dems control the majority in DC; they could fix it, abandon it, defund it, if they wanted to ......but they won't. Only they have the power to solve this mess; we don't. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Oh, so the problem is too hard to fix?
If they are so great, and have so many great ideas, then fix it.
Otherwise, the R's sound like a bunch of crybabies.
What happened to the old GOP of ideas?

I'm tired of it. Grow up.

Mind numbing:

the democrats create the monster
the republicans are powerless to fix it
yet the republicans are the bad guys for "not fixing it"


Only in the beltway can one get away with such incredible irrationality.

Thought you were sharper than that.

No, I agree with you, it is a total disaster and mess.
All I am saying is the prescription and policy solution by the R's is to just blow up the whole damn town, solving nothing, and creating a bigger problem.

Instead, they should take the higher and better road and say instead, "Ok, this is a disaster, here is how we would fix it."
And you are saying, "Oh, they can't because they aren't in power. boohooo."
Grow a pair and find a way. The R's aren't all powerless in this town.

Why don't the dems say (at least privately) to the r's: "hey, we gotta save face, we know this thing is a disaster and we would be willing to work on some fixes, including delaying the whole thing until we can decide on the fixes. Can you float your suggestions (AGAIN) and we will come up with some ideas too, and perhaps a year from now we will have something workable and not have the entire country in upheavel."

That would be a small semblence of leadership from the party in power; and that is where it needs to start. Unfortunately, it isn't going to happen because it appears the dems simply refuse to admit to the disaster they created.

^^^^^^horseshit.

The r's have run out of options for repealing the health care act and only want to delay in hopes of maybe getting a few more seats in the senate Next year to kill it completely.

ptown_trojans_1;1502336 wrote:I agree, but that was 2010.
How about they bring those back.
Be the responsible party now.
Do the all out media blitz that they can, instead of the defunding bs.

So, the Ds screw it all up and will not even listen to the ideas from the Rs because "hey, you lost, deal with it". The Ds had all the power at the time so they could get away with it.

Now, even most Ds realize it is a clusterf*&k, it's the Rs job to do a "media blitz" and pass a bill to fix the clusterf*$k?

You do realize, that right now, the Rs only have power in 1 house, 1 part of 4 parts of the government (including Senate, POTUS, and SCOTUS). So please explain HOW they pass such a bill?

The Ds will NOT back down from the ACA, it was their crowning achievement and they will keep it come hell or high water, no matter how bad things get. You know this, I know this.

QuakerOats;1502431 wrote:Why don't the dems say (at least privately) to the r's: "hey, we gotta save face, we know this thing is a disaster and we would be willing to work on some fixes, including delaying the whole thing until we can decide on the fixes. Can you float your suggestions (AGAIN) and we will come up with some ideas too, and perhaps a year from now we will have something workable and not have the entire country in upheavel."

That would be a small semblence of leadership from the party in power; and that is where it needs to start. Unfortunately, it isn't going to happen because it appears the dems simply refuse to admit to the disaster they created.

Quit blaming the other side and come up with solutions.
Doesn't matter who is in power, the social media world today makes who is in power now as important as it once was.

Give me solutions and quit acting like a child.

ptown_trojans_1;1502417 wrote:No, I agree with you, it is a total disaster and mess.
All I am saying is the prescription and policy solution by the R's is to just blow up the whole damn town, solving nothing, and creating a bigger problem.

Instead, they should take the higher and better road and say instead, "Ok, this is a disaster, here is how we would fix it."
And you are saying, "Oh, they can't because they aren't in power. boohooo."
Grow a pair and find a way. The R's aren't all powerless in this town.

I don't agree with Quaker's logic most of the times, but this time he has it...you are placing blame on the Rs for not fixing the Ds clusterf*&k when the Ds are in power.


That's completely illogical.

jmog;1502452 wrote:So, the Ds screw it all up and will not even listen to the ideas from the Rs because "hey, you lost, deal with it". The Ds had all the power at the time so they could get away with it.

Now, even most Ds realize it is a clusterf*&k, it's the Rs job to do a "media blitz" and pass a bill to fix the clusterf*$k?

You do realize, that right now, the Rs only have power in 1 house, 1 part of 4 parts of the government (including Senate, POTUS, and SCOTUS). So please explain HOW they pass such a bill?

The Ds will NOT back down from the ACA, it was their crowning achievement and they will keep it come hell or high water, no matter how bad things get. You know this, I know this.

So, the only solution is a Government shutdown?
Please..

No, it is not the only solution, but it is the only one we have given the radical left leadership of the party in majority control. They NEVER extend their hand to our side of the aisle; it is always the R's who must cross over and compromise. At some point enough is enough, especially considering what is presently at stake.

ptown_trojans_1;1502457 wrote:So, the only solution is a Government shutdown?
Please..

Your solution is that magically the Rs, when they don't have the power, should fix the clusterf$&k that the Ds created. They should pull off this magic trick all while the Ds would shoot down any and every bill that is passed in the HoR because they are going down with the ACA ship.

You can't be serious.

jmog;1502324 wrote:The Rs had ideas back in the original debate but since the Ds had a majority in both Houses they were told to sit down and shut up.

Please don't act like the Ds were all about getting consensus across the aisle when the ACA was shoved through.

The major pillars of the Affordable Care Act were invented by conservatives....

QuakerOats;1502431 wrote:Why don't the dems say (at least privately) to the r's: "hey, we gotta save face, we know this thing is a disaster and we would be willing to work on some fixes, including delaying the whole thing until we can decide on the fixes. Can you float your suggestions (AGAIN) and we will come up with some ideas too, and perhaps a year from now we will have something workable and not have the entire country in upheavel."

That would be a small semblence of leadership from the party in power; and that is where it needs to start. Unfortunately, it isn't going to happen because it appears the dems simply refuse to admit to the disaster they created.

Because it's not going to be a disaster just like the horrific future that Ronald Reagan described did not come to pass in the wake of passing Medicare....the most popular program in the United States next to Social Security.

“We do not want socialized medicine…behind it will come other government programs that will invade every area of freedom as we have known it in this country until one day as Norman Thomas said we will wake to find that we have socialism…We are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.”

^^^That was half a century ago!!

QuakerOats;1502510 wrote:No, it is not the only solution, but it is the only one we have given the radical left leadership of the party in majority control. They NEVER extend their hand to our side of the aisle; it is always the R's who must cross over and compromise. At some point enough is enough, especially considering what is presently at stake.

Indeed, they only passed Mitt Romney/The Heritage Foundation/Newt Gingrich's healthcare plan while closing the door on Anthony Weiner's infinitely better Medicare for All bill.

jmog;1502511 wrote:Your solution is that magically the Rs, when they don't have the power, should fix the clusterf$&k that the Ds created. They should pull off this magic trick all while the Ds would shoot down any and every bill that is passed in the HoR because they are going down with the ACA ship.

You can't be serious.

Well they could do something like pass a bill that is an alternative rather than simply voting to repeal Obamacare all the time...they could've done that as part of their budget bill, etc. It would at least do something to stop the talk that they "have no replacement".

ptown_trojans_1;1502417 wrote:No, I agree with you, it is a total disaster and mess.
All I am saying is the prescription and policy solution by the R's is to just blow up the whole damn town, solving nothing, and creating a bigger problem.

No it is not. Sure we could've handed everybody a Medicare card and been done with it problem solved but the Affordable Care Act is not a "total disaster and mess". It's not perfect but you watch when people start being able to buy subsidized health insurance in less than a month on the exchanges where insurers will have to compete by offering better plans rather than just cherry picking healthy people and denying coverage to sick people it's going to end up being popular just like Medicare.

One of the better ideas to come out of the conservative movement. Treat Healthcare like it's a responsibility rather than a right....get guaranteed issue so companies have to compete in a proper manner...and provide subsidies.

BoatShoes;1502527 wrote:Because it's not going to be a disaster just like the horrific future that Ronald Reagan described did not come to pass in the wake of passing Medicare....the most popular program in the United States next to Social Security.



^^^That was half a century ago!!

LOL -- and we're not $17 TRILLION in debt - on book - ; WITH $75 trillion IN UNFUNDED LIABILITIES, either, with $50 trillion of that being the bankrupt and insolvent medicare program.


God you are funny ------ Ignore the facts / drink some wine / someone else will pay for it ...


Carry on.

BoatShoes;1502522 wrote:The major pillars of the Affordable Care Act were invented by conservatives....

Medication time again:


Name 1 conservative who voted for this disaster.

Name 1 republican who voted for this disaster.



OWN IT, libtards!!!!!

Census: Americans in Poverty Jumps 6.6M to Record 46.5M...

Record Food Stamp Rolls Outnumber Entire Population of Northeast USA...




obamanomics: trickle up poverty

change we can believe in ...

QuakerOats;1502537 wrote:LOL -- and we're not $17 TRILLION in debt - on book - ; WITH $75 trillion IN UNFUNDED LIABILITIES, either, with $50 trillion of that being the bankrupt and insolvent medicare program.


God you are funny ------ Ignore the facts / drink some wine / someone else will pay for it ...


Carry on.

You need to revisit the videos of your fellow Republicans Ben Bernanke and Alan Greenspan pointing out that the United States cannot be insolvent so long as its liabilities are denominated in U.S. dollars. As I said, you need to watch until the falsity that the United States can be insolvent is removed from your brain.

But let me FTFY

$17 trillion in risk free savings accounts at the U.S. central bank for the private sector, our citizens and for foreigners who've sent us their real output (i.e. decided to be our slaves in exchange for digital numbers at our central bank that aren't convertible into any real commodity).....$75 trillion in real resources committed to the public purpose over decades in an economy that produces >$15 trillion in real resources, goods and services every year and growing....$50 trillion of those real resources committed in service to our seniors in their golden years over decades who are incredibly MORE free because we've agreed as a society to commit resources to them when they can no longer work.

QuakerOats;1502540 wrote:Medication time again:


Name 1 conservative who voted for this disaster.

Name 1 republican who voted for this disaster.



OWN IT, libtards!!!!!

Indeed, John McCain said it himself in the context of the vote on Syria...Republicans can't bring themselves to vote for anything Obama endorses lol. As we've seen...they'd rather give praise to an actual Russian communist than do anything with Obummer. lol

BoatShoes;1502527 wrote:Because it's not going to be a disaster just like the horrific future that Ronald Reagan described did not come to pass in the wake of passing Medicare....the most popular program in the United States next to Social Security.

The current popular support of a program is not indicative of its ultimate success.

BoatShoes;1502527 wrote:That was half a century ago!!

It takes time for the producers will to be sapped and national resources to be depleted.

As to Reagan's comment we are not there yet. The goal is the national socialization of medical care. Obama himself has said as much. Maybe another 15-20yrs. He is not alone. We have watched the video clips. Obamacare since that is what it is being called has been crafted by people of the same ilk. Co-opting the Heritage Foundation's call for mandating personal responsibility (one I disagree with) as a spring board for further federal government involvement is quite ingenious and meant to put conservatives on the defensive. Probably why you have been humping it so hard.

Anyways Reagan was right. Once medical care is fully socialized at the national level all taxpayers will have a vested interest in the personal activities of their fellow citizens. Whether its the redneck in West Virginia pickling his liver on beer and moonshine, or the fat ass in Florida that can't control their portions, or dare I say the promiscuous sexual deviant at high risk for STD's/pregnancy in California? Not trying to single out states just making the point once its a national interest regulation will cross those lines.