like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jan 11, 2017 12:31pm
No, he just forgot to switch accounts.wkfan;1832343 wrote:Sleeper, did Isadore hack your account??
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Wally
Posts: 481
Jan 11, 2017 12:34pm
Yes because his policies have made so much difference in your life (our lives).sleeper;1832333 wrote:Anyway, what an incredible speech by the best President we've probably ever had.
Rolls eyes.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 11, 2017 12:48pm
I'd love to hear your opinion on Trump's, the man you wanted, press conference today. A man that ended it early to let his attorney speak for him and can't even form a coherent sentence.Wally;1832353 wrote:Yes because his policies have made so much difference in your life (our lives).
Rolls eyes.
2020 can't come soon enough.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jan 11, 2017 1:12pm
I don't get this. Trump refers to himself all the time. Shit, he referred to himself in the 3rd person today.QuakerOats;1832316 wrote:He referred to himself 75 times ..........but failed to own the doubling of the debt to $20 fucking trillion.
He made Jimmy Carter look like George Washington.
Is that ok with you, or is it more you just like Trump and not Obama?
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jan 11, 2017 1:16pm
People will disagree with the President on his legacy, that's fine, and I thought the address was more pep rally than actual address, but I liked parts of it and think we all can agree on a few things.
I think we all can agree his threats to democracy make sense and given the bubble culture and bifurcation of searching for news that only fits our own point of view, makes sense.
We can also agree that his idea for everyone to stay involved in politics and caring about national service and what our lawmakers are doing is essential going forward.
I think we all can agree his threats to democracy make sense and given the bubble culture and bifurcation of searching for news that only fits our own point of view, makes sense.
We can also agree that his idea for everyone to stay involved in politics and caring about national service and what our lawmakers are doing is essential going forward.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jan 11, 2017 2:40pm
I'm one of the people who think that history will not be kind to him. He was divisive when he didn't have to be, that was one of the huge errors that he made. Also, I can't but think that he didn't give two shits about people outside of Illinois, California and New York.ptown_trojans_1;1832368 wrote:People will disagree with the President on his legacy, that's fine, and I thought the address was more pep rally than actual address, but I liked parts of it and think we all can agree on a few things.
I think we all can agree his threats to democracy make sense and given the bubble culture and bifurcation of searching for news that only fits our own point of view, makes sense.
We can also agree that his idea for everyone to stay involved in politics and caring about national service and what our lawmakers are doing is essential going forward.
However, I do agree with the message to not stay in your own echo chambers. Even if you don't like an opposing idea or totally disregard it, it is usually interesting (or even amusing to some extent) to hear them.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 11, 2017 2:59pm
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I think we all can agree his threats to democracy make sense and given the bubble culture and bifurcation of searching for news that only fits our own point of view, makes sense. .[/QUOTE]
Yes, but you probably wouldn't agree that Obama is as responsible for that as anyone. Saying things need to change on your last days, when you had 8 years to change it, is fucking pathetic.
I think we all can agree his threats to democracy make sense and given the bubble culture and bifurcation of searching for news that only fits our own point of view, makes sense. .[/QUOTE]
Yes, but you probably wouldn't agree that Obama is as responsible for that as anyone. Saying things need to change on your last days, when you had 8 years to change it, is fucking pathetic.
Apple
Posts: 2,620
Jan 11, 2017 3:24pm
Are you admitting that you took time out of your day to actually sit down, (or stand up... I guess you could have been standing or on your back or jogging or whatever), and listen to what BHO had to say? After all this time and everything he has done you were ok wanting to hear him speak one last time?ptown_trojans_1;1832368 wrote:People will disagree with the President on his legacy, that's fine, and I thought the address was more pep rally than actual address, but I liked parts of it and think we all can agree on a few things.
I think we all can agree his threats to democracy make sense and given the bubble culture and bifurcation of searching for news that only fits our own point of view, makes sense.
We can also agree that his idea for everyone to stay involved in politics and caring about national service and what our lawmakers are doing is essential going forward.
Not me.
BHO is yesterday's news. He is done. Voters finally woke up and he and his party were rejected. Its time to look forward. Goodbye BHO.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jan 11, 2017 3:28pm
I actually would agree he didn't help and actually made things worse. The healthcare law handing that over to Congress, not being very receptive to Congress, and ignoring/ not seeing a lot of the misgiving that led to Trump were his faults.gut;1832395 wrote:Yes, but you probably wouldn't agree that Obama is as responsible for that as anyone. Saying things need to change on your last days, when you had 8 years to change it, is fucking pathetic.
Out of respect for the office, yes I did watch the last remarks of the sitting President. I did the same for Bush, Clinton, and I vaguely remember HW's.Apple;1832401 wrote:Are you admitting that you took time out of your day to actually sit down, (or stand up... I guess you could have been standing or on your back or jogging or whatever), and listen to what BHO had to say? After all this time and everything he has done you were ok wanting to hear him speak one last time?
Not me.
BHO is yesterday's news. He is done. Voters finally woke up and he and his party were rejected. Its time to look forward. Goodbye BHO.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 11, 2017 3:34pm
Hail Trump. He will save us for the good of the Republic.gut;1832395 wrote:Yes, but you probably wouldn't agree that Obama is as responsible for that as anyone. Saying things need to change on your last days, when you had 8 years to change it, is fucking pathetic.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 11, 2017 3:35pm
He's the greatest African American President of my lifetime. Maybe Michelle can top him but I doubt it.ptown_trojans_1;1832368 wrote:People will disagree with the President on his legacy, that's fine, and I thought the address was more pep rally than actual address, but I liked parts of it and think we all can agree on a few things.
I think we all can agree his threats to democracy make sense and given the bubble culture and bifurcation of searching for news that only fits our own point of view, makes sense.
We can also agree that his idea for everyone to stay involved in politics and caring about national service and what our lawmakers are doing is essential going forward.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 11, 2017 3:37pm
The problem is that message, ironically, ONLY applies to those OTHER echo chambers.CenterBHSFan;1832392 wrote:I'm one of the people who think that history will not be kind to him. He was divisive when he didn't have to be, that was one of the huge errors that he made. Also, I can't but think that he didn't give two shits about people outside of Illinois, California and New York.
However, I do agree with the message to not stay in your own echo chambers. Even if you don't like an opposing idea or totally disregard it, it is usually interesting (or even amusing to some extent) to hear them.
We live in interesting times. You can't disagree with people anymore and we have a cheeto as President.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 11, 2017 3:38pm
sleeper;1832405 wrote:Hail Trump. He will save us for the good of the Republic.
You're still logged in as Sleeper
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 11, 2017 3:39pm
Good point. Obama is a D and D's are bad.Apple;1832401 wrote:Are you admitting that you took time out of your day to actually sit down, (or stand up... I guess you could have been standing or on your back or jogging or whatever), and listen to what BHO had to say? After all this time and everything he has done you were ok wanting to hear him speak one last time?
Not me.
BHO is yesterday's news. He is done. Voters finally woke up and he and his party were rejected. Its time to look forward. Goodbye BHO.
Grow up.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 11, 2017 3:45pm
He's going to be a rockstar. He remains a very popular, if mediocre, POTUS. Hillary is deplorable and Bill has one foot in the grave - the left needs a new Slick Willy...and that clearly is going to be Obama.CenterBHSFan;1832392 wrote:I'm one of the people who think that history will not be kind to him.
Bill Clinton wasn't nearly as good of a POTUS as made out to be. In the immediate years after, he was seen as largely staying out of the way of the Dot.com boom before handing off a big recession inducing tech bubble to W. And he's largely escaped blame for his role in the housing meltdown.
Like Willy, Obama gives a good speech and is very likable. And so his accomplishments will be white-washed and overstated.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jan 11, 2017 4:33pm
ptown_trojans_1;1832365 wrote:I don't get this. Trump refers to himself all the time. Shit, he referred to himself in the 3rd person today.
Is that ok with you, or is it more you just like Trump and not Obama?
I do not have great personal affinity for either; all I care about is getting as much government out of our lives as possible, and developing a real economic growth plan.
I do though, enjoy the media beatdowns Trump is dishing out .....................overdue and well-deserved.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 11, 2017 4:54pm
I don't think this is a good thing. I didn't like it when Obama did it, and Trump appears heading towards completely shutting out any media that questions or disagrees with him. That COULD be a catalyst for responsible change in the media, but more than likely it will just make those hacks MORE partisan.QuakerOats;1832423 wrote: I do though, enjoy the media beatdowns Trump is dishing out .....................overdue and well-deserved.
You look at Trump going after CNN, and it really does parallel Obama and Fox (albeit, Trump is far more unpolished and low-brow). It's the opposite of accountability - it's a deliberate effort to discredit and dismiss opposition. The left has been doing this to conservative media for years, and now that the shoe is on the other foot they're crying like never seen. Because, again, they are blind to their own hypocrisy and agendas.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Jan 11, 2017 5:05pm
The majority of Americans are fed up with the bias of the mainstream media ...... all polls indicate that to be quite true. It may take an outsider like Trump, who doesn't give a shit, to call them out on it and begin the process necessary to return the media to its true role. It has been proven that the major media is in bed with BIG government and the democrat party; they are all 3 part and parcel of each other. That is one of the swamps to be drained, perhaps the most important for the sake of the republic.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jan 11, 2017 5:42pm
Yeah, Fox News. Fair and balanced. LOLQuakerOats;1832431 wrote:The majority of Americans are fed up with the bias of the mainstream media ...... all polls indicate that to be quite true. It may take an outsider like Trump, who doesn't give a shit, to call them out on it and begin the process necessary to return the media to its true role. It has been proven that the major media is in bed with BIG government and the democrat party; they are all 3 part and parcel of each other. That is one of the swamps to be drained, perhaps the most important for the sake of the republic.
Apple
Posts: 2,620
Jan 11, 2017 8:17pm
It doesn't matter to me that he is a "D" and I don't think that all "D"'s are bad either. However, if the "D" leaders are continuing to say today, (especially after having gone down to defeat so many times in recent history), the same things they have been saying in the past, it is a waste of time to listen to them speak.sleeper;1832409 wrote:Good point. Obama is a D and D's are bad.
Grow up.
You tell me to grow up. I say that the "D"'s have grown up so much that they are now old and irrelevant.
CenterBHSFan
Posts: 6,115
Jan 13, 2017 5:10am
Looks like some of Obama's chickens are coming home to roost...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/epa-rebuke-judge-orders-quick-evaluation-coal-jobs-44745788
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/epa-rebuke-judge-orders-quick-evaluation-coal-jobs-44745788
EPA does not get to decide whether compliance with (the law) is good policy, or would lead to too many difficulties for the agency," Bailey wrote. "It is time for the EPA to recognize that Congress makes the law, and EPA must not only enforce the law, it must obey it.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 13, 2017 6:47am
It's going to be interesting to see how long Obama can restrain himself from openly criticizing Trump and undermining himCenterBHSFan;1832617 wrote:Looks like some of Obama's chickens are coming home to roost...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/epa-rebuke-judge-orders-quick-evaluation-coal-jobs-44745788
Spock
Posts: 2,853
Jan 13, 2017 11:24am
the media will give Obama the microphone at every chance they get.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jan 14, 2017 1:37pm
Cool. Thanks for confirming it is just you like Trump more than Obama. Thought so.QuakerOats;1832423 wrote:I do not have great personal affinity for either; all I care about is getting as much government out of our lives as possible, and developing a real economic growth plan.
I do though, enjoy the media beatdowns Trump is dishing out .....................overdue and well-deserved.
Fine line man, as gut has pointed out. There is still freedom of the press. Sure, Trump can and should call out news reports that is BS, but on the flip side, the President elect goes all fast and loose with some facts most of the time. The press should be able to call him out on that. If they do, and are correct, he cannot have personal vendettas or grudges toward members of the press. That is not how it works.QuakerOats;1832431 wrote:The majority of Americans are fed up with the bias of the mainstream media ...... all polls indicate that to be quite true. It may take an outsider like Trump, who doesn't give a shit, to call them out on it and begin the process necessary to return the media to its true role. It has been proven that the major media is in bed with BIG government and the democrat party; they are all 3 part and parcel of each other. That is one of the swamps to be drained, perhaps the most important for the sake of the republic.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Jan 14, 2017 1:39pm
As they should. He is a former President and deserves the respect of the office.Spock;1832670 wrote:the media will give Obama the microphone at every chance they get.
Same goes for Carter, HW Bush, Clinton, and W Bush.
Question is whether Obama will use it, or be more like W. Bush, and hang back, rarely commenting.