gut;1829091 wrote:This is their Benghazi....they're going to use this to undermine Trump as illegitimate before he even takes office.

That is a good comparison. Even if it turns out to be much ado about nothing like Benghazi it will become part of the narrative.

CenterBHSFan;1829069 wrote:What else do they offer, besides "free stuff"? I'm genuinely interested in your/anybody's answer, because I truly do not see anything. This may or may not be because of my disgust against R's and D's, so I admit that now. But seriously... what does the democrat policy offer the average person? Or any person?

Well before I answer I recall you saying around when Obama was elected that you used to be a Democrat. What do you think the Democratic Party at least used to offer?

BoatShoes;1829097 wrote:Well before I answer I recall you saying around when Obama was elected that you used to be a Democrat. What do you think the Democratic Party at least used to offer?

Well, for starters, democrats in political office used to be more ... eh, accessible?, for lack of a better word. Particularly in local offices. In some cases in my area, this is still true, but for the most post they are untouchable, you can't talk directly to them, they never call you back. Come to think of it, most of those people have been recently voted out of their office. So there's that.
They also used to be able to relate to many of the deplorables.
I remember when local and even some national democrats wanted people to be recognized for the content of their character, not for their sexuality, color of their skin or their religion (if applicable). People were people and all deserved to be recognized. Even white people. Even Christians.
I remember when the news put just as much scrutiny on democrats as they did republicans.
I remember when the democrat party wanted to give a hand up, not provide cell phones.
Democrats used to show a way out, not provide ways to easily keep you boxed in.

I could go on, but that's the general picture. That party no longer exists. It let itself be taken over by the fringe, to the point where the fringe is dominant and everybody else is deplorable. Today's D party no longer works for everybody, or even makes a token effort. It's sole effort is seemingly segregation by identification - and I tell you, they have no plans to change.
Why?
Because the lead actors in this drama bring money to the party (I'm looking at you, Nancy Pelosi). They just displayed this, openly, in the past year. I mean, they don't even try to hide it any longer. Nobody can fight for change within the party because if they do, they are immediately ostracized and kept out of the game (looking at you, Tim Ryan). Or bought out (looking at you Bernie Sanders).

When people say the old line of "I didn't leave the democrat party, the democrat party left me", I can certainly relate. And, more to the point, millions have come to the same conclusion.

The democrat party offers the moon and only delivers welfare, and I just can't believe in it anymore.

BoatShoes;1829094 wrote:That is a good comparison. Even if it turns out to be much ado about nothing like Benghazi it will become part of the narrative.

I wouldn't say blaming a video was "much ado about nothing". That was a big, big deal. But this is the problem - liberals will throw a fit if a Repub does something like that, but they've been very dismissive of that lie (and others with Obamacare). And that is going to continue until voters hold their own party accountable to the same standards they hold the ones they don't vote for.

gut;1829136 wrote:I wouldn't say blaming a video was "much ado about nothing". That was a big, big deal. But this is the problem - liberals will throw a fit if a Repub does something like that, but they've been very dismissive of that lie (and others with Obamacare). And that is going to continue until voters hold their own party accountable to the same standards they hold the ones they don't vote for.

Don't hold your breath.

CenterBHSFan;1829108 wrote:Well, for starters, democrats in political office used to be more ... eh, accessible?, for lack of a better word. Particularly in local offices. In some cases in my area, this is still true, but for the most post they are untouchable, you can't talk directly to them, they never call you back. Come to think of it, most of those people have been recently voted out of their office. So there's that.
They also used to be able to relate to many of the deplorables.
I remember when local and even some national democrats wanted people to be recognized for the content of their character, not for their sexuality, color of their skin or their religion (if applicable). People were people and all deserved to be recognized. Even white people. Even Christians.
I remember when the news put just as much scrutiny on democrats as they did republicans.
I remember when the democrat party wanted to give a hand up, not provide cell phones.
Democrats used to show a way out, not provide ways to easily keep you boxed in.

I could go on, but that's the general picture. That party no longer exists. It let itself be taken over by the fringe, to the point where the fringe is dominant and everybody else is deplorable. Today's D party no longer works for everybody, or even makes a token effort. It's sole effort is seemingly segregation by identification - and I tell you, they have no plans to change.
Why?
Because the lead actors in this drama bring money to the party (I'm looking at you, Nancy Pelosi). They just displayed this, openly, in the past year. I mean, they don't even try to hide it any longer. Nobody can fight for change within the party because if they do, they are immediately ostracized and kept out of the game (looking at you, Tim Ryan). Or bought out (looking at you Bernie Sanders).

When people say the old line of "I didn't leave the democrat party, the democrat party left me", I can certainly relate. And, more to the point, millions have come to the same conclusion.

The democrat party offers the moon and only delivers welfare, and I just can't believe in it anymore.

Good post.

sleeper;1829138 wrote:Good post.

Yes, it was.

CenterBHSFan;1829108 wrote:Well, for starters, democrats in political office used to be more ... eh, accessible?, for lack of a better word. Particularly in local offices. In some cases in my area, this is still true, but for the most post they are untouchable, you can't talk directly to them, they never call you back. Come to think of it, most of those people have been recently voted out of their office. So there's that.
They also used to be able to relate to many of the deplorables.
I remember when local and even some national democrats wanted people to be recognized for the content of their character, not for their sexuality, color of their skin or their religion (if applicable). People were people and all deserved to be recognized. Even white people. Even Christians.
I remember when the news put just as much scrutiny on democrats as they did republicans.
I remember when the democrat party wanted to give a hand up, not provide cell phones.
Democrats used to show a way out, not provide ways to easily keep you boxed in.

I could go on, but that's the general picture. That party no longer exists. It let itself be taken over by the fringe, to the point where the fringe is dominant and everybody else is deplorable. Today's D party no longer works for everybody, or even makes a token effort. It's sole effort is seemingly segregation by identification - and I tell you, they have no plans to change.
Why?
Because the lead actors in this drama bring money to the party (I'm looking at you, Nancy Pelosi). They just displayed this, openly, in the past year. I mean, they don't even try to hide it any longer. Nobody can fight for change within the party because if they do, they are immediately ostracized and kept out of the game (looking at you, Tim Ryan). Or bought out (looking at you Bernie Sanders).

When people say the old line of "I didn't leave the democrat party, the democrat party left me", I can certainly relate. And, more to the point, millions have come to the same conclusion.

The democrat party offers the moon and only delivers welfare, and I just can't believe in it anymore.

Good post for sure.

BoatShoes;1829094 wrote:That is a good comparison. Even if it turns out to be much ado about nothing like Benghazi it will become part of the narrative.

really?

wake up. People died in Benghazi due to a cowardless do everything based on politics POTUS and Sec. State. Russia never hacked anything. Wikileaks were given stolen emails from within the DNC. THe Russia narrative started months afterward.

BoatShoes;1829097 wrote:Well before I answer I recall you saying around when Obama was elected that you used to be a Democrat. What do you think the Democratic Party at least used to offer?

Still waiting, BS :RpS_razz:

Spock;1829204 wrote:really?

wake up. People died in Benghazi due to a cowardless do everything based on politics POTUS and Sec. State. Russia never hacked anything. Wikileaks were given stolen emails from within the DNC. THe Russia narrative started months afterward.

There is a reason Seth Rich is no longer with us.

QuakerOats;1829468 wrote:There is a reason Seth Rich is no longer with us.

Yes, it was a gruesome suicide.

sleeper;1829138 wrote:Good post.

What about that deranged, entirely false anecdotal evidence post was good?

One backwoods ranting is now a good post? LOL

Commander of Awesome;1829525 wrote:What about that deranged, entirely false anecdotal evidence post was good?

One backwoods ranting is now a good post? LOL

If you like your fake news, you can keep your fake news.

This is getting good, now!

CenterBHSFan;1829069 wrote:What else do they offer, besides "free stuff"? I'm genuinely interested in your/anybody's answer, because I truly do not see anything. This may or may not be because of my disgust against R's and D's, so I admit that now. But seriously... what does the democrat policy offer the average person? Or any person?

BoatShoes;1829097 wrote:Well before I answer I recall you saying around when Obama was elected that you used to be a Democrat. What do you think the Democratic Party at least used to offer?

Commander of Awesome;1829525 wrote:What about that deranged, entirely false anecdotal evidence post was good?

One backwoods ranting is now a good post? LOL

Ok, time to leave some of the levity behind.
Of course it is ancedotal. If you see the the exact posts that led to it, it was myself and BS asking each others opinions - not asking for linear facts. I'm still waiting to hear BS's "ancedotal" perspective but maybe he is having a hard time coming up with answers with clarity. I don't know.
I could lists some facts to back up my claim of aloofness of the dem party, but BS didn't ask for that. But I will give you one prime example just for funzies. Congressman Charlie Wilson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson_(Ohio_politician)
He was voted out of office after he announced that he was going to vote for Obamacare and then further shut his constituents out from giving feedback. He had very sheltered townhall meetings, would not reply to letters or phone calls about it (Obamacare)and proved himself to be more interested in being loyal to the party, rather than the people who lived within his district. Consequently he was voted out of his office.

I get that you don't like how I came to my perspective but explain, please, how it was "deranged".

You might very well be satisfied that the democrats are now more focused on topics such as sexuality and gender, but there are just as many if not more people who would rather focus on more important things. Like jobs in other sectors than the service industry (McDonalds). There are other more immediate things to worry about than social engineering.

And now the dems in power are making an absolute joke out of themselves blaming Comey, Russia, FOX news, going so far as to trying to get Mika Brzezinski (a liberal from MSNBC who disagreed with their campaign tactics) fired from her job, angry white men and now even Obama. They are now propogating and condoning safe places with therapy dogs, playdough and cry-time. Yes, let's delve further into "deranged". /sarcasm/

I don't mean to sound condescending, but you really should at least try to take a step back and look at what your chosen party has come to and what it is doing.

Commander of Awesome;1829525 wrote:What about that deranged, entirely false anecdotal evidence post was good?

One backwoods ranting is now a good post? LOL

The message is good. When the message is good, I don't care about the content.

Sound familiar? See Hillary Clinton's campaign and the entire platform of the Democratic party.

CoA flirting with a meltdown.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/ann-arbor-police-womans-story-about-being-force-to-remove-hijab-did-not-occur

ANN ARBOR, Mich. - Detectives have determined that a woman who told police a man forced her to remove her hijab when he threatened to set her on fire near the University of Michigan campus in Ann Arbor may have fabricated her story.
According to the Ann Arbor police, numerous inconsistencies in statements provided by the alleged victim were identified and detectives determined the incident in question did not occur.

Racism is so bad that we have to make it up!

Fake news is incredibly destructive and people are so dumb that it works effectively.

The story above generated a ton of buzz only to be found completely made up. Now no one cares about the original story and even if its made up it "started a conversation" which is liberal speak for "We can't solve non-existent problems"

sleeper;1829580 wrote:Fake news is incredibly destructive and people are so dumb that it works effectively.

The story above generated a ton of buzz only to be found completely made up. Now no one cares about the original story and even if its made up it "started a conversation" which is liberal speak for "We can't solve non-existent problems"

Well, and it's now become acceptable for science and economics to push an agenda. You will often see someone give a quote or an interview that doesn't align with what they publish, or what they would stake their academic reputation on.

Obie going out with a bang at the UN today.

The 80's are calling....

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/29/politics/russia-sanctions-announced-by-white-house/index.html

[video=youtube;QS2a44F5TgM][/video]

majorspark;1830317 wrote:The 80's are calling....

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/29/politics/russia-sanctions-announced-by-white-house/index.html

[video=youtube;QS2a44F5TgM][/video]

Nah man, we need to, in the words of Trump, "Move on."

ptown_trojans_1;1830319 wrote:Nah man, we need to, in the words of Trump, "Move on."

Still an apologist hack, eh?