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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 16, 2012 7:04pm
So what is the difference between carrying my gun onto private land and driving my car on to private land? Both require licenses from the state of Ohio.queencitybuckeye;1321747 wrote:Your mind-reading ability seems to be on the blink. Your assumption of my argument being based on fear is off the mark. It's similar to the old saw about people not wanting the cops to barge into their house having to mean that they have something to hide. As to my personality flaws, I have many, but insecurity is not among them IMO.
It's not that far off, as you make a conscious (I hope) decision of whether to carry a weapon every single time you leave your home.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Nov 16, 2012 7:09pm
Under current law in the context of this discussion, none. Under the proposed changes to the law, quite a bit.WebFire;1321815 wrote:So what is the difference between carrying my gun onto private land and driving my car on to private land? Both require licenses from the state of Ohio.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 16, 2012 7:13pm
I don't mean lawful differences. I mean difference of your opinion. Why is it ok to drive onto your property without permission (not trespass, mind you), but not to CONCEAL a handgun (that you would never even know I had)?queencitybuckeye;1321818 wrote:Under current law in the context of this discussion, none. Under the proposed changes to the law, quite a bit.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 16, 2012 7:17pm
It's not even close. Hunting requires pre-planning for a designated activity in a designated area. Carrying is like putting your shoes on, and is part of your normal routine.queencitybuckeye;1321747 wrote:It's not that far off, as you make a conscious (I hope) decision of whether to carry a weapon every single time you leave your home.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 16, 2012 10:02pm
You guys who carry, what's the motivation? Do you really feel that unsafe? I can see some people that might find themselves in bad areas due to work, family, commute, etc... But what prompts you to tolerate the nuisance of strapping-up to go to the corner drug store?
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 16, 2012 10:05pm
who said the guys that carry strap up to go to the drug store?gut;1321913 wrote:You guys who carry, what's the motivation? Do you really feel that unsafe? I can see some people that might find themselves in bad areas due to work, family, commute, etc... But what prompts you to tolerate the nuisance of strapping-up to go to the corner drug store?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 16, 2012 10:11pm
gut;1321913 wrote:You guys who carry, what's the motivation? Do you really feel that unsafe? I can see some people that might find themselves in bad areas due to work, family, commute, etc... But what prompts you to tolerate the nuisance of strapping-up to go to the corner drug store?
Read my signature for your answer
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 16, 2012 10:34pm
Ever read the news?gut;1321913 wrote:You guys who carry, what's the motivation? Do you really feel that unsafe? I can see some people that might find themselves in bad areas due to work, family, commute, etc... But what prompts you to tolerate the nuisance of strapping-up to go to the corner drug store?
Peace of mind, and like guns. Why not carry? Once you get used to it, it's not really a nuisance. Like wearing glasses, I suppose.
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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
Nov 17, 2012 8:29am
Peace of mind??? Man up you fucking pansy.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Nov 17, 2012 8:32am
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/14/nra-lashes-out-at-dim-journalists-for-shatterin/191377
gosh the nra looks like they maybe on the decline as a political power.
gosh the nra looks like they maybe on the decline as a political power.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 17, 2012 9:09am
Ok, tough guy. :rolleyes:slingshot4ever;1322033 wrote:Peace of mind??? Man up you fucking pansy.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 17, 2012 9:11am
I love how some (ignorant) people think that because you carry a gun, you plan to go out and use and shoot up whoever and whenever you feel like it. Anyone threatened by a CHL holder is just damn ignorant.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 17, 2012 9:44am
That, or people know that in Ohio its not exactly hard to get a CHL.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 17, 2012 11:11am
Not sure how that is relevant. Bad guys don't go get their CHL.Hb31187;1322062 wrote:That, or people know that in Ohio its not exactly hard to get a CHL.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 17, 2012 11:22am
You labeled ppl threatened by CHL holders as being ignorant. I explained to you that just because you have a CHL in Ohio doesnt mean you are responsible and I shouldnt be worried about you carrying a deadly weapon. Not sure how thats irrelevantWebFire;1322105 wrote:Not sure how that is relevant. Bad guys don't go get their CHL.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Nov 17, 2012 11:40am
So you're an aspiring vigilante?LJ;1321919 wrote:Read my signature for your answer..."When he comes for you, I'm just a phone call... and a 20-minute drive away. I'll come as fast as I can."
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 17, 2012 12:00pm
Please show me stats that would make you worry.Hb31187;1322108 wrote:You labeled ppl threatened by CHL holders as being ignorant. I explained to you that just because you have a CHL in Ohio doesnt mean you are responsible and I shouldnt be worried about you carrying a deadly weapon. Not sure how thats irrelevant
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 17, 2012 12:01pm
Actually, on second thought, don't. I'm not going to bother arguing about this. There is no point.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Nov 17, 2012 12:07pm
Based on recent election results, there is no shortage of people in our country that are willing to take what's yours and put it in their own pocket. There people are why I carry.gut;1321913 wrote:You guys who carry, what's the motivation? Do you really feel that unsafe? I can see some people that might find themselves in bad areas due to work, family, commute, etc... But what prompts you to tolerate the nuisance of strapping-up to go to the corner drug store?
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Nov 17, 2012 12:11pm
Umm read webs numerous posts about taking it everywhere. Also web comparing parking his car with brining a gun into my house is beyond retarded.Pick6;1321915 wrote:who said the guys that carry strap up to go to the drug store?
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 17, 2012 12:24pm
Lol why do you get so defensive because I dont trust everyone with a CHL. You act like we're personally attacking you lol. All I'm saying is just because you sit through a day of class, doesnt mean i trust you fully with a loaded weapon I dont know you haveWebFire;1322127 wrote:Actually, on second thought, don't. I'm not going to bother arguing about this. There is no point.
I understand it doesnt matter what I think since you're licensed with ohio. But I dont think it makes me sound ignorant for not trusting everyone
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 17, 2012 12:26pm
Who said anything about a house?Rotinaj;1322134 wrote:Umm read webs numerous posts about taking it everywhere. Also web comparing parking his car with brining a gun into my house is beyond retarded.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 17, 2012 12:27pm
Do you think a gun is going to jump out of someone's holster and shoot you. I present my challenge again. Show me stats that suggest you should worry about CHL carriers.Hb31187;1322140 wrote:Lol why do you get so defensive because I dont trust everyone with a CHL. You act like we're personally attacking you lol. All I'm saying is just because you sit through a day of class, doesnt mean i trust you fully with a loaded weapon I dont know you have
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Nov 17, 2012 12:31pm
The Violence Policy Center’s Concealed Carry Killers database documents 356 incidents in 32 states since May 2007. In more than three quarters of the incidents (282) the concealed carry killer has already been convicted (108), committed suicide (167), or was killed in the incident (seven). Of the 64 cases still pending, the vast majority (51) of concealed carry killers have been charged with criminal homicide, five were deemed incompetent to stand trial, and eight incidents are still under investigation. An additional 10 incidents were fatal unintentional shootings involving the gun of the concealed handgun permit holder. Twenty-three of the incidents were mass shootings, resulting in the deaths of 103 victims.WebFire;1322105 wrote:Not sure how that is relevant. Bad guys don't go get their CHL.
http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 17, 2012 12:37pm
So condescending. No of course a gun isnt gonna jump out of someones holster and shoot me. But with that ease at which you can get a CHL in Ohio there are just plenty of owners who arent exactly the most responsible. And all it takes is 1 slip up with a loaded handgun for something bad to happen. But again its almost comical how defensive you get over this topic lolWebFire;1322143 wrote:Do you think a gun is going to jump out of someone's holster and shoot you. I present my challenge again. Show me stats that suggest you should worry about CHL carriers.