CLEconomically Speaking;1389698 wrote:Here's another pretty good article showing how the 2012 draft affected the Bourn signing. Side note: if Appel is available at #5 when we pick in June we better take this kid.

http://www.letsgotribe.com/cleveland_indians_2012_2013_offseason/2013/2/11/3978936/pirates-and-mark-appel-help-indians-land-bourn

hoops23;1389605 wrote:Bingo. It's no different than a guy like Casey Kotchman or whoever hitting a routine ground ball to the 1B with 2 on and 2 out or something... An out is an out.

The only difference is, guys like Swish and Bourn are going to get on base A LOT more and provide more runs/scoring opportunities with their individual abilities.

se-alum;1389842 wrote:An out is not an out, which is why Stubbs would frustrate the hell out of you. A sac fly and a strikout are both outs, but on one of them you get a run. The only things that offset strikeouts are walks and clutch hitting.

CLEconomically Speaking;1389859 wrote:I hate how negative everyone is about Stubbs. Would you rather go back to a platoon of Aaron Cunningham, Johnny Damon, and Shelley Duncan? Not exactly elite hitters. Stubbs has the potential to be a 30/30 guy. And hes a great defender and baserunner. Give him a shot

HitsRus;1390299 wrote:Chris Antonetti credits Dolan with opening wallet to get Bourn...
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/sports/2013/02/16/dolans-broke-budget-for-bourn-tribe-gm-says.html

HitsRus;1390740 wrote:Ubaldo working on cleaning up his mechanics.
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2013/02/justin_masterson_ubaldo_jimene_1.html

Jimenez worked hard over the winter watching video and trying to clean up his mechanics. As we talked about last year, Jimenez was most effective when his fastball was above 94 MPH....unfortunately most of the times it was 90-92, and the result was what we witnessed. When Jimenez was at the top of his game with the Rockies, his fastball would be consistently mid to upper 90's, and emphasis this spring will be towards returning to that as Francona attempts to get Ubaldo to throw 'downhill'.

CLEconomically Speaking;1390896 wrote:I think Ubaldo will surprise people this year. The added offense and the familiarity with the division should boost his confidence. That and a mini change of scenery with a new pitching coach and manager.

royal_k;1390989 wrote:If Masterson can pitch like he did 2 years ago, and Ubaldo like he did with the Rockies, they will have a chance.

wes_mantooth;1391299 wrote:I am with you on the Masterson thing, but Ubaldo has only really had a half of a season of quality....he has been absolute **** after that hot start a few years ago. I hope I am wrong, but I have already written off that trade as a disaster.

wes_mantooth;1391299 wrote:I am with you on the Masterson thing, but Ubaldo has only really had a half of a season of quality....he has been absolute shit after that hot start a few years ago. I hope I am wrong, but I have already written off that trade as a disaster.

hoops23;1391405 wrote:Hard to call that trade a disaster when the other pitchers sent away have ERA's over 6 and 5 themselves.

Crimson streak;1391304 wrote:Ubaldo's problem is all mechanics. He has dominant stuff he just needs to control it. I'm hoping Francona has fixed his issues. If he can have an era around 3.50 we should be in good shape

wes_mantooth;1391482 wrote:I call it that because pence could have been had....supposedly

hoops23;1391405 wrote:Hard to call that trade a disaster when the other pitchers sent away have ERA's over 6 and 5 themselves.

mucalum49;1391562 wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/spring-training/post/_/id/448/indians-need-their-rotation-to-be-improved

Good to hear Scott Kazmir has got back on track. One of my favorite Rays when he was with us, hope for his and the Tribe's sake he finds a spot in the rotation.

Would he be the only lefty battling for a spot in the rotation? Not that it matters, just found it odd for a pro team to have so many righty's in a rotation. You typically see 2-3 left handers in the rotation or ready to be called up.

HitsRus;1391631 wrote:I don't think there is any doubt that every Tribe fan to a man would like to have that trade back...now. But, I don't think many of us would have been happy if the Tribe had traded Fausto after the 2007 season for a couple of prospects.

As for beating a dead horse...yeah but so what...go ahead if you must. Just don't be like NCF and his need to be 'proved right'...the trade is pretty far in the rear view mirror. Time to get behind UJ and root for him to do well. Watch for the key number...95 MPH.

As for it being the worst trade...ehhh I'd say the Lee trade was the worst. That trade hangs on the rebuilt arm of Carlos Carrasco.