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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 23, 2012 10:19pm
Some good Gary Johnson sign time. Haha
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Oct 23, 2012 10:25pm
Pretty good debate. I think Johnson easily one. King pretty on point with the moderating but it was refreshing to see people just tell their views instead of spending time arguing with someone else.
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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
Oct 24, 2012 12:15am
I'm voting Romney and writing in Ron Paul or Gary Johnson in for every other office on the ballot. Romney is my last hope since I think he's the most qualified "conventional" Presidential candidate since WW2.WebFire;1303130 wrote:But it has to start with voting NOW. And too many don't understand that.
If he fails, it's Libertarianism forever.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Oct 24, 2012 3:24pm
You never heard Ron Paul talk about it? You should have been watching during the Republican primaries.mucalum49;1303141 wrote:Governor Johnson killing it with 30 year old foreign policy knowledge of how we funded OBL in the 80's to fight the USSR. Pretty impressive, never heard that discussed publicly before.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Oct 24, 2012 3:30pm
I have no idea what you think makes him qualified, but whatever floats your boat. His stimulus plans will fail and his wars will bankrupt us, just like all of his predecessors. Welcome to libertarianism.sjmvsfscs08;1303221 wrote:I'm voting Romney and writing in Ron Paul or Gary Johnson in for every other office on the ballot. Romney is my last hope since I think he's the most qualified "conventional" Presidential candidate since WW2.
If he fails, it's Libertarianism forever.
mucalum49
Posts: 1,639
Oct 24, 2012 7:00pm
Yeah, I couldn't remember that part. I honestly didn't watch as intently during primaries, mostly had it on in the background while doing other stuff. Probably reading the OC ha..Cleveland Buck;1303636 wrote:You never heard Ron Paul talk about it? You should have been watching during the Republican primaries.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 25, 2012 7:22pm
Voting was opened up to declare winners of this debate. Of course Gary Johnson was the overwhelming winner. And somehow Jill Stein finished 2nd. Those 2 will have another debate. In which Johnson will make her look foolish.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 25, 2012 8:10pm
Jill Stein came in 2nd because the Green party is a much more publicized party than the Justice Party or the Constitution party.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 25, 2012 11:25pm
I would've ranked them:
Johnson
Goode
Anderson
Stein
Johnson
Goode
Anderson
Stein
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 25, 2012 11:27pm
Same here.justincredible;1304585 wrote:I would've ranked them:
Johnson
Goode
Anderson
Stein
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 25, 2012 11:32pm
If it weren't for Anderson's views on college education he would've probably been second (from what I saw, missed the last few questions). I didn't like Goode's stance on the drug war but he at least wanted to spend less money on it. I guess that's something.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 26, 2012 8:25am
Yeah I can't get past the free college. It doesn't make sense on many levels. The thing I did like about Virgil was that he says what he thinks, even if he knows it might not be the popular opinion. Just like the drug topic, he started off with "people in this audience may not like it, but...". We need more of that in politics. Stand up for what you believe in, even if it's not popular.justincredible;1304589 wrote:If it weren't for Anderson's views on college education he would've probably been second (from what I saw, missed the last few questions). I didn't like Goode's stance on the drug war but he at least wanted to spend less money on it. I guess that's something.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 26, 2012 9:46am
Yep. I absolutely hate pandering and he just doesn't do it. At all. I respect the hell out of that.WebFire;1304686 wrote:Yeah I can't get past the free college. It doesn't make sense on many levels. The thing I did like about Virgil was that he says what he thinks, even if he knows it might not be the popular opinion. Just like the drug topic, he started off with "people in this audience may not like it, but...". We need more of that in politics. Stand up for what you believe in, even if it's not popular.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Oct 26, 2012 11:59am
It's about handing out punishment for breaking the law.pmoney25;1303128 wrote:The Drug war is not only about the money spent but the fact that once you get busted and get put in jail for marijuana, you now have a record. It becomes difficult to get a job, therefore you get stuck on welfare.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Oct 26, 2012 12:04pm
More accurate, now.Con_Alma;1304807 wrote:It's about handing out punishment for breaking a stupid, pointless law.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Oct 26, 2012 12:08pm
That's subjective.
Although the cultural tide is shifting towards legalization or at least decriminalization, until then government law enforcement has an obligation to not only enforce but penalize those who break it.
Although the cultural tide is shifting towards legalization or at least decriminalization, until then government law enforcement has an obligation to not only enforce but penalize those who break it.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 26, 2012 12:10pm
Clearly they don't because Denver has had legalized marijuana yet the federal government does nothing about it.Con_Alma;1304812 wrote:That's subjective.
Although the cultural tide is shifting towards legalization or at least decriminalization, until then government law enforcement has an obligation to not only enforce but penalize those who break it.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Oct 26, 2012 12:12pm
I disagree. They do continue to have the obligation of enforcing and penalizing. Denver's activity or lack thereof doesn't change the obligation.sleeper;1304814 wrote:Clearly they don't because Denver has had legalized marijuana yet the federal government does nothing about it.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 26, 2012 12:13pm
Actually there may be a case for a broad sharing of the cost of acquiring human capital. As with physical capital...converting income into human capital broadly across the economy increases the aggregate wealth to society. However, unlike physical capital, people who acquire human capital cannot divest it when it works out poorly and this operates like a tax on the acquisition of human capital.WebFire;1304686 wrote:Yeah I can't get past the free college. It doesn't make sense on many levels.
This is borne out in the real world in countries like the nordic countries where the cost of college is broadly shared and upward mobility is much higher than in the United States or in the post-war United States wherein G.I.'s acquired human capital via the G.I. Bill.
FWIW people used to say that universal public secondary education didn't make sense either...
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Oct 26, 2012 12:14pm
I'd like to see the stats on first time offenders serving solely for marijuana possession. Fair point about having a record, but I'm not sure it's any more damaging than a DUI (to be fair it probably should not be equivalent).
My guess is people actually locked up (more than just overnight or awaiting arraignment) are actually getting popped for parole violations. That still doesn't make it right, but it does change the context a fair amount.
My guess is people actually locked up (more than just overnight or awaiting arraignment) are actually getting popped for parole violations. That still doesn't make it right, but it does change the context a fair amount.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 26, 2012 12:14pm
malum prohibitumCon_Alma;1304807 wrote:It's about handing out punishment for breaking the law.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 26, 2012 12:16pm
The federal government hasn't arrested anyone in Denver since the law was passed. The law is being selectively enforced.Con_Alma;1304816 wrote:I disagree. They do continue to have the obligation of enforcing and penalizing. Denver's activity or lack thereof doesn't change the obligation.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Oct 26, 2012 12:17pm
Yep. Laws are made by the people through representation.BoatShoes;1304819 wrote:malum prohibitum
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Oct 26, 2012 12:18pm
That doesn't negate the obligation nor responsibility of the agencies.sleeper;1304822 wrote:The federal government hasn't arrested anyone in Denver since the law was passed. The law is being selectively enforced.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 26, 2012 12:19pm
So you are okay with the federal government enforcing it everywhere else but Denver, CO. Gotcha.Con_Alma;1304826 wrote:That doesn't negate the obligation nor responsibility of the agencies.