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Oct 16, 2012 5:03 PM
Will be interesting to see what happens tonight. Will Romney repeat his performance at the 1st debate. Will Obama find that happy medium between his debate and Biden's performance? Not a big fan of town hall formate, and Crowley has pretty much already said she doesn't play to follow the rules, so we'll see what happens.
Oct 16, 2012 5:03pm
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Oct 16, 2012 5:06 PM
I think everyone will be pretty disappointed. From my perspective you have a hand-picked audience, asking pre-screened questions where the two then take turns basically giving a stump speech.

I've always kind of felt this is really a fraud of a debate. I like the idea and format in theory, I just think the execution will fall well short of what it can be (perhaps understandably).

As for Crowley, I hope she's not as partisan as the last moderator. Of course, it's a fair point that the Repubs have to agree to the choice of moderator so you can't cry about it.
Oct 16, 2012 5:06pm
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Oct 16, 2012 5:39 PM
I'm going to wager that Barry spends the majority of his time talking about Romney instead of talking about what his plans are to fix the messes he's compounded. I wonder why he's decided that even he can't run on his own record? :o
Oct 16, 2012 5:39pm
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Oct 16, 2012 6:01 PM
I am a little dumfounded that Obama isn't even pretending to propose/advocate something new. Sure, he can't run on his record but he can still talk about new policies/initiatives without highlighting the failure of what he's done.

As I've said, he's outclassed by Romney on these issues and so he speaks in generalities and platitudes to try to avoid really getting taken to school. Then, of course, on the stump and media interviews (carefully chosen media events) no one pushes or questions him on it. By not saying anything, then there's nothing to attack, really. That's the point.
Oct 16, 2012 6:01pm
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Oct 16, 2012 7:42 PM
Both campaigns pissed that moderator Candy Crowley has indicated that she will not play the minimalist role both parties signed off on
http://thepage.time.com/2012/10/14/moderator-role-under-scrutiny-before-the-debate/

Essentially they're pissed that she won't run it like Jim Lehrer. How bad is it when both parties are pissed that they can't just attack one another unquestioned? If that doesn't sum up this political system today, what does?
Oct 16, 2012 7:42pm
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Oct 16, 2012 7:49 PM
I will notwaste my time watching it. I will get a full honest, fair and balanced review of Mittens victory from Hannity...
Oct 16, 2012 7:49pm
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Oct 16, 2012 7:53 PM
ts1227;1296878 wrote:Both campaigns pissed that moderator Candy Crowley has indicated that she will not play the minimalist role both parties signed off on
http://thepage.time.com/2012/10/14/moderator-role-under-scrutiny-before-the-debate/

Essentially they're pissed that she won't run it like Jim Lehrer. How bad is it when both parties are pissed that they can't just attack one another unquestioned? If that doesn't sum up this political system today, what does?
I don't know. My guess is both parties are concerned about her grandstanding and trying to launch a career out of it. They are worried about fairness. Based on the last moderator, that's a legit concern. That both are objecting would seem to indicate no one has a handle on what her agenda could be.
Oct 16, 2012 7:53pm
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Oct 16, 2012 8:26 PM
gut;1296888 wrote:I don't know. My guess is both parties are concerned about her grandstanding and trying to launch a career out of it. They are worried about fairness. Based on the last moderator, that's a legit concern. That both are objecting would seem to indicate no one has a handle on what her agenda could be.
After how the first debate went with regards to talking about whatever the hell they wanted over the moderator, and how Biden was in the VP debate, I read it as they're pissed that the mod isn't a pushover and they may have to actually answer a question, stay on topic, or ahdere to rules
Oct 16, 2012 8:26pm
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Oct 16, 2012 8:48 PM
Legit Question here...

If the President has a strong performance tonight(not a media driven one)...does he regain a good deal of support he lost after the 1st debate?
Oct 16, 2012 8:48pm
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Oct 16, 2012 8:56 PM
OMG THEY HAVE THE OTHER PARTY COLOR'S TIE ON
Oct 16, 2012 8:56pm
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Oct 16, 2012 8:56 PM
ts1227;1296940 wrote:OMG THEY HAVE THE OTHER PARTY COLOR'S TIE ON
HAHA....well played sir!
Oct 16, 2012 8:56pm
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Oct 16, 2012 8:58 PM
WHAT THE HELL...Did Romney just say he wants to extend Pell Grants? He wants to cut them
Oct 16, 2012 8:58pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:00 PM
Hits Romney hard on autobailout early
Oct 16, 2012 9:00pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:00 PM
Indy's liked O's answer
Oct 16, 2012 9:00pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:03 PM
During Romney's follow-up....Indys flatlined
Oct 16, 2012 9:03pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:04 PM
I wonder if Obama knows that talking really fast and a bit louder doesn't make one sound more intelligent.
Oct 16, 2012 9:04pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:04 PM
Romney trying to go all Biden there
Oct 16, 2012 9:04pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:05 PM
Obama not really answering the question
Oct 16, 2012 9:05pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:06 PM
Totally different Obama tonight!
Oct 16, 2012 9:06pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:06 PM
Answer the damn question Mr. President.

Is it the role of the DOE to help control Gas prices?
Oct 16, 2012 9:06pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:07 PM
ptown_trojans_1;1296959 wrote:Answer the damn question Mr. President.

Is it the role of the DOE to help control Gas prices?
Gonna say the same thing to Romney?
Oct 16, 2012 9:07pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:08 PM
Indy's not impressed with Gov.Romney so far
Oct 16, 2012 9:08pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:08 PM
Romney needs to hammer Chu and energy policy.
Oct 16, 2012 9:08pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:09 PM
Ty Webb;1296960 wrote:Gonna say the same thing to Romney?
Yes, Mr. Romney, answer the damn question.

Yes, we all understand energy policy, but get to the heart of the matter.
How much influence does the Government have over gas prices?

(Note, it is not much....)
Oct 16, 2012 9:09pm
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Oct 16, 2012 9:10 PM
I think we can all agree....Obama got the message about his performance
Oct 16, 2012 9:10pm