the "tie-up" tactic was effective at preventing his opponent from just pummeling him. Distract, get personal and don't let it be about facts. The base probably loved that performance, but it won't fly with educated voters. Campaign has officially gone full-retard.

HitsRus;1293416 wrote:Great analysis. That seemed to be the strategy....just keep interrupting and being a clown so the viewer couldn't concentrate on what Ryan was saying. I'm not sure that it is going to sit well with people who were watching and are trying to make up their mind.
Absolutely terrible moderator who tolerated that....Ryan made one statement against the constant interruptions, but with the moderator unwilling /unable to do her job, he should have made a second and more forceful comment about the utter rudeness of his opponent.

Perhaps she was just intimidated by the office. I suppose it is hard to say...."Mr. Vice President, STFU."

HitsRus;1293416 wrote:Great analysis. That seemed to be the strategy....just keep interrupting and being a clown so the viewer couldn't concentrate on what Ryan was saying. I'm not sure that it is going to sit well with people who were watching and are trying to make up their mind.
Absolutely terrible moderator who tolerated that....Ryan made one statement against the constant interruptions, but with the moderator unwilling /unable to do her job, he should have made a second and more forceful comment about the utter rudeness of his opponent.

Perhaps she was just intimidated by the office. I suppose it is hard to say...."Mr. Vice President, STFU."

gut;1293353 wrote:Ryan did absolutely hit the nail on the head at the end: "With Obama, we get speeches. We need leadership".

and lmfao, how many times did Biden have to interrupt with "hope I get equal time"? That really did make him look like a moron, of course I suspect he actually is. But it was like his pre-programmed go-to distraction.

se-alum;1293421 wrote:Barack Obama was a guest at Martha Raddatz wedding. I fully expected her to lean toward Biden, and she did. She seemed to try to bait and question Ryan much more than she did Biden. She did get testy with the Joe-ker on a couple occasions though.

I think she was correct in not interjecting immediately during the interruptions because it allowed Ryan to keep making his point and just talk right through it.

HitsRus;1293435 wrote:Disagree completely. She allowed Biden to talk over top of Ryan such that it was an audio distraction from what he was trying to say. WTF is the moderator's job?

sleeper;1293433 wrote: All this debate did for me was make me HATE Joe Biden and if Obama is re-elected, I want the secret service to quadruple the protection on Obama. Also have 10 doctors checking up on Obama everyday.

gport_tennis;1293440 wrote:When she asked ryan "do you actually have any specifics our are your still working on those?" I thought that was completely uncalled for from Her. Her tone was extremely sarcastic as well at that time. she never did or said anything close to Biden like that the whole night

sleeper;1293445 wrote:I'm not sure what specifics she'd like Ryan to talk about. He's already given his plan, which is more than the D's have given, what specifics is she looking for?

"Well, we are going to work with Congress to get these bills passed" ?

se-alum;1293450 wrote:Any intelligent person knows that neither side can possibly divulge specifics about a plan. You can lay out a foundation on what you want to happen, but if you get technical, people are going to expect exactly that, which isn't possible in the politics realm.

jhay78;1293538 wrote:Even MSNBC called out Biden for the "didn't know about needing more security in Libya" whopper:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/11/Biden-Lies-In-debate-about-security-requests

sleeper;1293433 wrote:All this debate did for me was make me HATE Joe Biden and if Obama is re-elected, I want the secret service to quadruple the protection on Obama. Also have 10 doctors checking up on Obama everyday.

Bigdogg;1293616 wrote:Sleeper, I think it is important that you clarify just excatly what you mean by your statement. I think I know what you mean, but I really want you to explain just excatly what you mean. Be VERY carefull.

Bigdogg;1293616 wrote:Sleeper, I think it is important that you clarify just excatly what you mean by your statement. I think I know what you mean, but I really want you to explain just excatly what you mean. Be VERY carefull.

Bigdogg;1293616 wrote:Sleeper, I think it is important that you clarify just excatly what you mean by your statement. I think I know what you mean, but I really want you to explain just excatly what you mean. Be VERY carefull.

se-alum;1293602 wrote:IMO, that was easily the biggest gaffe of the debate. Did Biden not realize how bad it sounded when he said, "the President and I didn't know we needed more security". It was the anniversary of 9/11, in a country known for terrorist cells. They didn't need someone to tell them, they should've known.

[INDENT]And, by the way, they talk about this Great Recession if it fell out of the sky, like, “Oh, my goodness, where did it come from?” It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, to at the same time put a prescription drug benefit on the credit card, a trillion-dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. I was there. I voted against them. I said, no, we can’t afford that.
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se-alum;1293602 wrote:IMO, that was easily the biggest gaffe of the debate. Did Biden not realize how bad it sounded when he said, "the President and I didn't know we needed more security". It was the anniversary of 9/11, in a country known for terrorist cells. They didn't need someone to tell them, they should've known.

jhay78;1293636 wrote:Biden also pretended like he didn't vote for both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: