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Oct 11, 2012 12:07 AM
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Oct 11, 2012 12:09 AM
Both Piketon and Adena are in the Scioto Valley Conference....yikes

How do you give up 19 in soccer???
Oct 11, 2012 12:09am
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Oct 11, 2012 12:21 AM
Ironman92;1292383 wrote:Both Piketon and Adena are in the Scioto Valley Conference....yikes

How do you give up 19 in soccer???
By being very bad.

It's the equivalent of giving up 133 in football.

But the myth that soccer has less scores than football is simply that, a myth.

2011-2012 regular season games only:
EPL
  • 1066 goals
  • 380 matches
  • 2.81 goals per match
NFL
  • 1259 TDs
  • 256 games
  • 4.9 TDs per game
Now factor in real time per game viewing length:
  • NFL: 3 hours, 7 minutes = 187 minutes
  • EPL: 1 hr, 51 minutes = 111 minutes
So, scoring in real time:
  • NFL: 187/4.9 = 38.16. A touchdown every 38 minutes of real time.
  • EPL: 111/2.81 = 39.50. A goal every 39 minutes of real time.
Oct 11, 2012 12:21am
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Oct 11, 2012 1:22 AM
We used to stop scoring at 10 and play keep away. I always thought it would be worse to look stupid while a team played keep away from you then just getting scored on.
Oct 11, 2012 1:22am
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Oct 11, 2012 2:46 AM
I know Adena is a fairly new program and just recently moved up to varsity level.

Can't explain Piketon as they had a fairly decent team my senior season (yes I played futbol in the fall of 2004) and then simply dropped the program a few years later due to lack of interest. I'm not sure when they started the program back up.
Oct 11, 2012 2:46am
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Oct 11, 2012 6:49 AM
Better question is how do you win 19-0??? Have some morals for fuck sake. Thats pathetic coaching.
Oct 11, 2012 6:49am
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Oct 11, 2012 7:41 AM
I'd watch soccer more if there were 19 goals per game and not 2. Or they should at least make fights legal like in hockey.
Oct 11, 2012 7:41am
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Oct 11, 2012 8:49 AM
Why is your phone always below 40% battery life??? I need to know!!!!!!
Oct 11, 2012 8:49am
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Oct 11, 2012 9:11 AM
Adena is new, and if I had to bet, they'll will eventually have a pretty good soccer team if they take it seriously. The youth sports program at Adena is unmatched by any other school in the area, that I've seen. If they get the participation, they will have some good teams.
Oct 11, 2012 9:11am
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Oct 11, 2012 9:20 AM
Do they train in Adena by trying to kick a live pig down the field?
Oct 11, 2012 9:20am
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Oct 11, 2012 11:06 AM
I recruited a game on Tuesday that was 12-0.

The winning team had a rule that they could only score 12. It was 9-0 at half. With 27 minutes left in the game, they scored their 12th goal. For the last 27 minutes, they played possession. It was the worst 27 minutes I've ever seen. The losing team literally just stood there. It was awful. I'd rather a team go score instead of playing 27 minutes like that.

I also must note that the clock usually stops for each goal, and the referees (and coaches) didn't have the clock stop EVER this game. It was miserable.

Michigan has a "mercy" rule in high school soccer, it's around 7 or 8 goals. Kentucky has one as well, 10 goals by halftime or anytime in the second half. It's almost worth it. Same goes for any other sport where you can get outrageously high scores for one team and little-to-none for the other.
Oct 11, 2012 11:06am
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Oct 11, 2012 3:15 PM
I hate when teams just play keep away. It doesn't help the losing team and your players get no benefit from it. If you're up by a ton then you should be working either on more technical finishes that would be risky/not make sense to try against better competition or on getting your younger/less experienced guys more comfortable with finishing and scoring.

Either way the other team is going to feel bad about themselves so you might as well get some benefit out of it.
Oct 11, 2012 3:15pm
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Oct 11, 2012 10:38 PM
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Oct 11, 2012 10:55 PM
I Wear Pants;1292387 wrote:By being very bad.

It's the equivalent of giving up 133 in football.

But the myth that soccer has less scores than football is simply that, a myth.

2011-2012 regular season games only:
EPL
  • 1066 goals
  • 380 matches
  • 2.81 goals per match
NFL
  • 1259 TDs
  • 256 games
  • 4.9 TDs per game
Now factor in real time per game viewing length:
  • NFL: 3 hours, 7 minutes = 187 minutes
  • EPL: 1 hr, 51 minutes = 111 minutes
So, scoring in real time:
  • NFL: 187/4.9 = 38.16. A touchdown every 38 minutes of real time.
  • EPL: 111/2.81 = 39.50. A goal every 39 minutes of real time.
I don't think the scoring in real time is relavent since a lot more of that real time in football is with the clock stopped for timeouts, commercials, halftimes, between quarters, etc. There can't be scores during those times. This seems like a number someone came up with to try to make soccer look better. No one cares how often a team scores in "real time", they care about scores per game. Not saying this as an attack on soccer at all, I really don't care if other people like it, but that stat is pretty skewered and irrelevant.
Oct 11, 2012 10:55pm
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Oct 11, 2012 11:29 PM
xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1293274 wrote:I don't think the scoring in real time is relavent since a lot more of that real time in football is with the clock stopped for timeouts, commercials, halftimes, between quarters, etc. There can't be scores during those times. This seems like a number someone came up with to try to make soccer look better. No one cares how often a team scores in "real time", they care about scores per game. Not saying this as an attack on soccer at all, I really don't care if other people like it, but that stat is pretty skewered and irrelevant.
Would you rather hear that the average play in football is somewhere around 10 seconds? Or that the average time of actual gameplay is around 11-13 minutes?
Oct 11, 2012 11:29pm
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Oct 11, 2012 11:30 PM
We beat a city league team by far worse than that.
Oct 11, 2012 11:30pm
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Oct 12, 2012 11:28 AM
OSH;1293297 wrote:Would you rather hear that the average play in football is somewhere around 10 seconds? Or that the average time of actual gameplay is around 11-13 minutes?
Actually the average football play is around 7 sec but this has no bearing whatsoever on the pure simple fact soccer should never be played by anyone older than 9 yrs old.
Oct 12, 2012 11:28am
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Oct 12, 2012 11:31 AM
Laley23;1292436 wrote:Better question is how do you win 19-0??? Have some morals for fuck sake. Thats pathetic coaching.
I agree....classless.

Just hold the ball and work on fundamentals.
Oct 12, 2012 11:31am
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Oct 12, 2012 11:44 AM
Tiernan;1293478 wrote:Actually the average football play is around 7 sec but this has no bearing whatsoever on the pure simple fact soccer should never be played by anyone older than 9 yrs old.
Good one.
Automatik;1293481 wrote:I agree....classless.

Just hold the ball and work on fundamentals.
There's probably not much "work" to actually do. Plus, who's to say they weren't working on something...like finishing. :p

But, really, I have seen and heard of teams who have put stipulations on games when they get out of control. Just playing possession is worse, in my opinion, because of the simple fact the team defending probably will never get the ball (it's like teasing). Score from headers, volleys, outside the 18, or something like that. Maybe play 1 or 2 touch. Maybe all this was done? 19-0 looks bad if there's someone who has A LOT of goals, but if it was 19-0 and there were 8-10+ different scorers, is that really that bad?
Oct 12, 2012 11:44am
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Oct 12, 2012 1:03 PM
OSH;1293297 wrote:Would you rather hear that the average play in football is somewhere around 10 seconds? Or that the average time of actual gameplay is around 11-13 minutes?
I other words in football there is a score every 2-3 minutes of live gameplay, and in soccer there is a score every 30 minutes of gameplay. Soccer sounds way more exciting now.
Oct 12, 2012 1:03pm
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Oct 12, 2012 1:09 PM
xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1293555 wrote:I other words in football there is a score every 2-3 minutes of live gameplay, and in soccer there is a score every 30 minutes of gameplay. Soccer sounds way more exciting now.
I've seen 1-0 games that were very exciting....hell, even scoreless draws.

You have to be a fan of the game to get that. If you're not, then well....you're not.
Oct 12, 2012 1:09pm
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Oct 12, 2012 2:16 PM
Automatik;1293563 wrote:I've seen 1-0 games that were very exciting....hell, even scoreless draws.

You have to be a fan of the game to get that. If you're not, then well....you're not.
I completely agree. I'm a huge fan of the throwing events in track. I'm sure most people think they are incredibly boring but i findd it to be very fun to watch. I don't have a problem with people liking soccer. But those numbers given earlier don't make it look any more exciting to an outsider that doesn't care anyway.
Oct 12, 2012 2:16pm
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Oct 12, 2012 4:48 PM
Thanks for comparing to football....awesome


I still don't get how a group of soccer players that practice everyday for a couple of hours can allow 19 goals....I could see rarely ever scoring but you'd think the could understand defensive concepts enough to keep the score in single digits.
Oct 12, 2012 4:48pm
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Oct 12, 2012 5:02 PM
Ironman92;1293647 wrote:Thanks for comparing to football....awesome


I still don't get how a group of soccer players that practice everyday for a couple of hours can allow 19 goals....I could see rarely ever scoring but you'd think the could understand defensive concepts enough to keep the score in single digits.
When in high school my wrestling team beat some teams by ridiculous amounts (like 70-0) and I'm sure they practiced several hours a day. Sometimes teams are just inexperienced or lacking talent/athleticism/coaching or a combination of those things and when that type of team gets matched up against an above average or better team you get some pretty lopsided scores. Happens in every sport.

Edit: Can't tell but are you implying that soccer defense is easy?
Oct 12, 2012 5:02pm
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Oct 12, 2012 7:08 PM
I Wear Pants;1293652 wrote:When in high school my wrestling team beat some teams by ridiculous amounts (like 70-0) and I'm sure they practiced several hours a day. Sometimes teams are just inexperienced or lacking talent/athleticism/coaching or a combination of those things and when that type of team gets matched up against an above average or better team you get some pretty lopsided scores. Happens in every sport.

Edit: Can't tell but are you implying that soccer defense is easy?

Easy....nope

Easy to hold to say 12....yep

We aren't talking about a state champ versus a lowly team.
Oct 12, 2012 7:08pm