Pew research has Romney with a huge lead among indies ....... writing should be on the wall for obama campaign.

http://www.people-press.org/2012/10/08/romneys-strong-debate-performance-erases-obamas-lead/



Axelrod should be coming unglued about now

Gallup has the President up 5....

I'm also going to call bullshit on this.....a 14 point swing in 2 1/2 weeks?

Ty Webb;1290582 wrote:Gallup has the President up 5....

Uh, Gallup is tied.

fish82;1290601 wrote:Uh, Gallup is tied.

Two different polls released...add them together President Obama is up 5

Also...take a look at the details for the Pew Poll...you'll see what's behind Romney's bounce:

Party ID Last Poll:
39 Dem
29 Repub
30 Indy

Party ID This Poll:
36 Repub
31 Dem
30 Indy

3 types of lies:
Lies, damned lies, and stuff gibby posts.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157907/romney-narrows-vote-gap-historic-debate-win.aspx

Ty Webb;1290607 wrote:Two different polls released...add them together President Obama is up 5

Also...take a look at the details for the Pew Poll...you'll see what's behind Romney's bounce:

Party ID Last Poll:
39 Dem
29 Repub
30 Indy

Party ID This Poll:
36 Repub
31 Dem
30 Indy

Gallup has a pre-debate and post-debate poll. They spell it out right on the site, amigo.

As for the Pew sampling, I'll be willing to wager you that the turnout next month is closer to Door #2 than Door #1.

Some interesting numbers out today in MI and PA as well.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

fish82;1290617 wrote:Gallup has a pre-debate and post-debate poll. They spell it out right on the site, amigo.

As for the Pew sampling, I'll be willing to wager you that the turnout next month is closer to Door #2 than Door #1.

I'm not saying I buy +9 Dem....but I'm sure as hell not buying +5 Repub either....

fish82;1290619 wrote:Some interesting numbers out today in MI and PA as well.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

As I said on another thread....all Republican pollsters where President Obamas lead increased from their last polls

Ty Webb;1290628 wrote:As I said on another thread....all Republican pollsters where President Obamas lead increased from their last polls

WTF are you talking about? EPIC-MRA and Baydoun/Foster both go left. EPIC is endorsed by the daily kook for christsakes. :rolleyes:

Looks like Paul Ryan gets a little upset at tough questions being asked and Romney's campaign doesn't want questions being asked about their tax plan:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/08/ryan_gets_testy_at_interviewer.html#disqus_thread

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/07/972501/gop-strategist-admits-romney-is-witholding-details-of-his-tax-plan-to-avoid-criticism/?mobile=nc

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fish82;1290617 wrote: As for the Pew sampling, I'll be willing to wager you that the turnout next month is closer to Door #2 than Door #1.

NOW he wants to talk about sampling error. But when you say Dems outnumbering Repubs 3:2 is a pipedream he accuses you of denial.

gut;1290833 wrote:NOW he wants to talk about sampling error. But when you say Dems outnumbering Repubs 3:2 is a pipedream he accuses you of denial.

Did I EVER say I agreed with samples being +10 Dems?? No I did not....

But do you honestly believe there would've been a 15 point swing for Romney without the favorable sample?

Ty Webb;1290836 wrote: But do you honestly believe there would've been a 15 point swing for Romney without the favorable sample?

Without the favorable sampling for Obama in the polls you keep posting? No.

If Obama loses this election you should be banned from ever posting another poll. You were declaring back in April that Romney had 0 chance. We've been telling you since then these polls don't reflect reality and you kept accusing us of being in denial.

Suddenly it's swung the other way (corrected, more accurately) and NOW you have issue with the polls you've faithfully and dutifully been relying on. Weren't you just laughing at me the other day when I said sampling error in some of these polls was 5, perhaps as much as 10 points? Didn't you laugh when I said it's neck-and-neck in most swing states? Michigan can't possibly be in play, but oh wait...

Ty Webb;1290719 wrote:Looks like Paul Ryan gets a little upset at tough questions being asked and Romney's campaign doesn't want questions being asked about their tax plan:

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/08/ryan_gets_testy_at_interviewer.html#disqus_thread

Tough questions? It's some retard local reporter turning answers into questions and attempting to put words in Ryans mouth. I'd have done the same thing, except cuffed the toolbag upside the head on the way out the door.

fish82;1290886 wrote:Tough questions? It's some retard local reporter turning answers into questions and attempting to put words in Ryans mouth. I'd have done the same thing, except cuffed the toolbag upside the head on the way out the door.

You guys seem to be getting a little testy....maybe because your "bounce" is already going away?

I like how as soon as he's questioned about the tax plan....they stop the interview

The only demographics Romney leads in are White Males over 45 yrs who make $150K+ annually and White Females over 40 yrs who have never had a job and fuck White Males over 45 yrs who make $150K+ annually.

Ty Webb;1291039 wrote:You guys seem to be getting a little testy....maybe because your "bounce" is already going away?

I like how as soon as he's questioned about the tax plan....they stop the interview

Did you watch the tape? If you did, you would have noticed:

1. Ryan does not get frustrated. He gives answers. Sorry you don't like the answers, but he was not out of bounds.
2. The "reporter" tries to trip him up with a discussion of gun control and then takes a 50 yard leap to square it somehow with tax cuts. Is this how "unbiased reporting" goes today?
3. Ryan does not stop the interview, it's stopped by someone else there with him. He saw what the "reporter" was trying to accomplish and he was corrrect in ending it.
4. Ryan is spot on in his analysis of the "reporter" attempting to put words in his mouth. It's just another strawman.

If you want to talk about desperation, just watch MSNBC and see how much crap they are flinging at anything and everything regarding Romney/Ryan.

Tiernan;1291041 wrote:The only demographics Romney leads in are White Males over 45 yrs who make $150K+ annually and White Females over 40 yrs who have never had a job and **** White Males over 45 yrs who make $150K+ annually.

Completely false; Romney is now holding a SUBSTANTIAL lead among independants (where elections are won/lost).

Romney now ahead in swing states.

Ladies and gentlemen, the train is leaving the station ......... all aboard to a better tomorrow!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_swing_state_tracking_poll

Ty Webb;1291039 wrote:You guys seem to be getting a little testy....maybe because your "bounce" is already going away?

I like how as soon as he's questioned about the tax plan....they stop the interview

Yeah, the bounce is history. :rolleyes:

Mittens up 1 in Ohio....with a +9 democrat sample.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/OH12.html

Amazing thread is amazing....

Polls = horse pucky when you don't like what they say.....



Polls = The GREATEST THING EVER...SEE!!! SEEE!!! when you like the results.


I got a pole for you...

When polls are statistically inaccurate, like the ones from 2 weeks ago that had obama ahead, they are "horse pucky".

When the polls are at least somewhat truthful, you see who is really winning.

Reuters Ipsos Tracking 47% Obama, 45% Romney

RAND Tracking 49% Obama, 45% Romney

UPI / CVoter Tracking 48% Obama, 47% Romney