Mulva
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Nov 3, 2012 10:49pm
Like there was ever any doubt.
Rotinaj
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Nov 3, 2012 10:51pm
Fuck you Jennings.
Mulva
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Nov 3, 2012 10:52pm
James Harden makes that shot in half the time.
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gport_tennis
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Nov 3, 2012 11:48pm
Mulva;1311761 wrote:James Harden makes that shot in half the time.
Lol
Mulva
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Nov 9, 2012 11:17pm
Ugh. Real, real bad loss tonight. Waiters played well down the stretch, but that's about it.
Ironman92
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Nov 9, 2012 11:34pm
Mulva;1317037 wrote:Ugh. Real, real bad loss tonight. Waiters played well down the stretch, but that's about it.
Yeah...Waiters looked good, they got a couple of big 50/50 balls late and Boobie hit a big 3...but Gee forced one, couldn't foul Telfair and Irving showed a little youth....and still about won it.
Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Nov 10, 2012 7:49am
Didn't get to watch and damn glad that was the case. How you blow a lead that big to the Suns is beyond me.
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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
Nov 10, 2012 3:42pm
I haven't watched much this year, and you all fill me in?
Waiters is averaging 17ppg. He looks like a keeper, a #2 to pair for Irving for the next decade? Tough to tell in six games, but he looks bright?
How is Thompson doing? He seems to have slightly improved.
Waiters is averaging 17ppg. He looks like a keeper, a #2 to pair for Irving for the next decade? Tough to tell in six games, but he looks bright?
How is Thompson doing? He seems to have slightly improved.
Mulva
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Nov 10, 2012 4:38pm
Dion has looked good for the most part. Streaky, but when he gets hot he's been unstoppable. Thompson doesn't look like he's improved at all. I can't point to a single area that he's noticeably better than last year.
Waiters has definitely been better than I expected, but no real surprises otherwise. Kyrie is a beast, Andy is solid, and pretty much everything else (especially the bench) is still very bad.
Waiters has definitely been better than I expected, but no real surprises otherwise. Kyrie is a beast, Andy is solid, and pretty much everything else (especially the bench) is still very bad.
Ironman92
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Nov 10, 2012 4:57pm
sjmvsfscs08;1317245 wrote:I haven't watched much this year, and you all fill me in?
Waiters is averaging 17ppg. He looks like a keeper, a #2 to pair for Irving for the next decade? Tough to tell in six games, but he looks bright?
How is Thompson doing? He seems to have slightly improved.
Waiters and Irving should be good pieces for years to come....both really know they belong and have no reason not to excel in the league.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Nov 10, 2012 9:27pm
Pretty much sums it upMulva;1317285 wrote:Dion has looked good for the most part. Streaky, but when he gets hot he's been unstoppable. Thompson doesn't look like he's improved at all. I can't point to a single area that he's noticeably better than last year.
Waiters has definitely been better than I expected, but no real surprises otherwise. Kyrie is a beast, Andy is solid, and pretty much everything else (especially the bench) is still very bad.
Dion has a nasty streak in him that I like. The kid's jumper was the biggest question mark coming into the season but it looks good so far
Thompson has me a bit worried, the kid doesnt seem to have "it". I know that bigs usually take longer to develop but right now he has a long way to go. I'm worried that he's going to be nothing more than 10 and 8 guy for his career. I think Zeller is already a better player than TT. I would rather see Zeller at the 5, Andy at the 4 and bring TT off the bench
Crimson streak
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Nov 10, 2012 9:33pm
KR1245;1317609 wrote:Pretty much sums it up
Dion has a nasty streak in him that I like. The kid's jumper was the biggest question mark coming into the season but it looks good so far
Thompson has me a bit worried, the kid doesnt seem to have "it". I know that bigs usually take longer to develop but right now he has a long way to go. I'm worried that he's going to be nothing more than 10 and 8 guy for his career. I think Zeller is already a better player than TT. I would rather see Zeller at the 5, Andy at the 4 and bring TT off the bench
I do like TT's defense and rebounding. But he has to develop that face up game and jumper or he won't amount to much.
Mulva
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Nov 10, 2012 10:03pm
Agree with that. I like his hustle/energy, but he isn't even a "poor man's Andy" at this point because he doesn't pass or rebound at anywhere near the same level. He's like a Tyrus Thomas with a better motor. Much more suited to come off of the bench. If the Cavs end up trading Varejao the front-court would be a mess. I was open to trading him last year, but now I feel like it would be a huge mistake. Not worth getting a mid-late first rounder.KR1245;1317609 wrote:Pretty much sums it up
Dion has a nasty streak in him that I like. The kid's jumper was the biggest question mark coming into the season but it looks good so far
Thompson has me a bit worried, the kid doesnt seem to have "it". I know that bigs usually take longer to develop but right now he has a long way to go. I'm worried that he's going to be nothing more than 10 and 8 guy for his career. I think Zeller is already a better player than TT. I would rather see Zeller at the 5, Andy at the 4 and bring TT off the bench
The good news is, while I don't think the upcoming draft will end up nearly as good as this year's, most of the top prospects appear to be SF-PF-C (Zeller, Muhammed, McAdoo, Mitchell, Porter, etc) so the Cavs should be able to get an upgrade without having to reach for a position of need.
Crimson streak
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Nov 10, 2012 10:07pm
Mulva;1317659 wrote:Agree with that. I like his hustle/energy, but he isn't even a "poor man's Andy" at this point because he doesn't pass or rebound at anywhere near the same level. He's like a Tyrus Thomas with a better motor. Much more suited to come off of the bench. If the Cavs end up trading Varejao the front-court would be a mess. I was open to trading him last year, but now I feel like it would be a huge mistake. Not worth getting a mid-late first rounder.
The good news is, while I don't think the upcoming draft will end up nearly as good as this year's, most of the top prospects appear to be SF-PF-C (Zeller, Muhammed, McAdoo, Mitchell, Porter, etc) so the Cavs should be able to get an upgrade without having to reach for a position of need.
It's gotta be a sf. Easily the weakest position on the team. If we can get a sf that puts up 13-15 points a game this team will be a championship contender in a few years.
Mulva
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Nov 10, 2012 10:20pm
I think you're underestimating how much it takes to be a championship contender. Much easier to go from bad team to playoffs than good team to championships. Even with LeBron we only made 1 finals series, and got swept. I think Kyrie is a beast, but he's no LeBron.Crimson streak;1317663 wrote:It's gotta be a sf. Easily the weakest position on the team. If we can get a sf that puts up 13-15 points a game this team will be a championship contender in a few years.
I hope you're right, but I don't see it. You need at least 2 all-star level players and a solid supporting cast to even have a shot these days, and even that usually isn't enough. Does anyone really consider the Clippers to be a title contender, even with Paul, Griffin, and a deep bench? We would need to add another legit stud in my opinion to have any shot.
sleeper
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Nov 10, 2012 10:24pm
The Cavs are another 1-2 lottery hits at least from being a legitimate playoff contender. If Waiters, Thompson, or Zeller turn out to be the real deal, we could probably get away with 1 more piece. Even then, it would take some good meshing to win a championship.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 10, 2012 11:23pm
Griffin is trash IMO.Mulva;1317674 wrote:
I hope you're right, but I don't see it. You need at least 2 all-star level players and a solid supporting cast to even have a shot these days, and even that usually isn't enough. Does anyone really consider the Clippers to be a title contender, even with Paul, Griffin, and a deep bench? We would need to add another legit stud in my opinion to have any shot.
Ironman92
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Nov 10, 2012 11:34pm
Commander of Awesome;1317721 wrote:Griffin is trash IMO.
Trash or not....he's not the type of player typically involved on a contender.
sleeper
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Nov 10, 2012 11:47pm
He really is.Commander of Awesome;1317721 wrote:Griffin is trash IMO.
KR1245
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Nov 11, 2012 7:33am
I agree. Sooner or later this team is going to need to sign a quality free agent though, not a superstar but a very good player. If Kyrie isnt the best PG in the NBA right now he's very close and Dion looks like the real thing, these kids are only going to get better. The Cavs will have a high pick this year but I dont think it will be a top 5. The Cavs have a ton of money to spend and plenty of tradable assets, they need to use them and make a move.sleeper;1317679 wrote:The Cavs are another 1-2 lottery hits at least from being a legitimate playoff contender. If Waiters, Thompson, or Zeller turn out to be the real deal, we could probably get away with 1 more piece. Even then, it would take some good meshing to win a championship.
Rotinaj
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Nov 11, 2012 7:52am
I wouldnt say hes trash but he is certainly one of the most overrated players in the league.Commander of Awesome;1317721 wrote:Griffin is trash IMO.
Ironman92
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Nov 11, 2012 9:14am
I think they are only one good player from being a playoff contender.....to actually be a top 4 seed and advance some in the playoffs....probably a lottery pick and a good sign
wes_mantooth
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Nov 11, 2012 9:18am
agreed.Rotinaj;1317797 wrote:I wouldnt say hes trash but he is certainly one of the most overrated players in the league.
Commander of Awesome
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Nov 11, 2012 1:09pm
I understand what you're saying, but he's legit one of the worst defenders I have ever seen. He's a cry baby QQ bitch boy, and I hate his game. He reminds me of Vince Carter in Toronto, or DeRosan there now. Empty 20 ppg. With his skill set and athleticism he should be getting 10+ boards a night and a block an d half. His basketball IQ is pretty low and might be my least favorite player to watch. Right up there with Dwade. On the spurs he'd probably come off the bench.Rotinaj;1317797 wrote:I wouldnt say hes trash but he is certainly one of the most overrated players in the league.
Mulva
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Nov 11, 2012 1:17pm
He averages over 11 boards per game for his career and he's one of the best passing big men in the league. His defense is bad, but the guy is still a borderline all-star.Commander of Awesome;1317952 wrote:With his skill set and athleticism he should be getting 10+ boards a night and a block an d half. His basketball IQ is pretty low and might be my least favorite player to watch. Right up there with Dwade. On the spurs he'd probably come off the bench.