Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 16, 2012 7:55pm
Okay, last years has Pekovic, Branden Wright and Farried as top 25 players, equally as dumb. Its a quite stupid system for determining a players worth.lhslep134;1321838 wrote:HB, you're completely dodging my argument. Those are last year's stats so Jimmer and Lowry are irrelevant. You want to discredit PER, but your explanation for win shares is???
Answer the question: Is Player A, B, or C visibly or significantly worse than any of the others?
And to appease you, no none of those players using the stats you gave me is any worse than the others. Now go ahead and tell me that player A and C or w/e is Lebron and Kobe and ill let you continue to salivate over Harden
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 16, 2012 8:06pm
A is Kobe B is your boy Melo and C is Harden.
Thank you, come again.
Thank you, come again.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 16, 2012 8:12pm
lhslep134;1321850 wrote:A is Kobe B is your boy Melo and C is Harden.
Thank you, come again.
You used the most idiot stats to back your argument. Why don't you post the ppg fg % assists rebounds etc? Because you used made up retard stats to back your argument
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 16, 2012 8:15pm
Why is the James Harden discussion still going on? How about we let it die? kthanks.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 16, 2012 8:19pm
lol hes dead set on itCrimson streak;1321855 wrote:You used the most idiot stats to back your argument. Why don't you post the ppg fg % assists rebounds etc? Because you used made up retard stats to back your argument
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 16, 2012 8:24pm
Yeah thats my fault lol, I made an indirect smartass remark about top 25 players and he came charging back with his PER argument. Ill let it die lolAutomatik;1321857 wrote:Why is the James Harden discussion still going on? How about we let it die? kthanks.
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Nov 16, 2012 8:25pm
Hb31187;1321861 wrote:Yeah thats my fault lol, I made an indirect smartass remark about top 25 players and he came charging back with his PER argument. Ill let it die lol
I think sleeper rehashed the argument as Well by saying harden was meaty oker
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 16, 2012 8:28pm
Because his stats will be lower based on playing time. I could use TS% where he was top 5, but I opted to use metrics that describe a player regardless of their minutes. Sorry that you're stuck in the dark age where advanced metrics have no sway.Crimson streak;1321855 wrote:You used the most idiot stats to back your argument. Why don't you post the ppg fg % assists rebounds etc? Because you used made up retard stats to back your argument
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 16, 2012 8:37pm
Hb31187;1321832 wrote:You continue to use PER as a backing point for your argument. Have you seen some of the players that rank top 25 in PER? LOL
For example, Kyle Lowery is #1 this year, and Jimmer Fredette is #3. Very solid system
Refer to this per is a joke
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 16, 2012 8:38pm
lhslep134;1321865 wrote:Because his stats will be lower based on playing time. I could use TS% where he was top 5, but I opted to use metrics that describe a player regardless of their minutes. Sorry that you're stuck in the dark age where advanced metrics have no sway.
Also if his playing time is less doesn't that mean he's not as good? A top 25 player should get a lot if minutes am I right?
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gport_tennis
Posts: 1,796
Nov 16, 2012 8:41pm
Crimson streak;1321875 wrote:Also if his playing time is less doesn't that mean he's not as good? A top 25 player should get a lot if minutes am I right?
Harden played almost 31 minutes a game last year
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 16, 2012 9:23pm
gport_tennis;1321878 wrote:Harden played almost 31 minutes a game last year
Ihsep said his numbers are lower because of playing time.....
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Nov 16, 2012 9:41pm
Here's my explanation..
I don't give a shit about win shares, PER, RBIs, runs of 10 yds or more or any of that ridiculous ESPN hyped "stats" bullshit.
Harden is not a Top 25 player. Someone start a Top 25 thread, we'll leave it open for a few days then average every players standing into the official OC NBA Top 25 Players List.
I don't give a shit about win shares, PER, RBIs, runs of 10 yds or more or any of that ridiculous ESPN hyped "stats" bullshit.
Harden is not a Top 25 player. Someone start a Top 25 thread, we'll leave it open for a few days then average every players standing into the official OC NBA Top 25 Players List.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 16, 2012 10:16pm
I'll defer to those actually paid to watch and analyze rather than you guys since clearly you're in denial.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2012/10/top-50-james-harden-no-20/
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2012/10/top-50-james-harden-no-20/
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 16, 2012 10:20pm
The crappy Magic beat the even worse Pistons
Redick with 23....a top 94 player IMO
Redick with 23....a top 94 player IMO
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 16, 2012 10:22pm
Thunder win big
Kevin Martin 27/5/4
Kevin Martin 27/5/4
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Nov 16, 2012 10:26pm
Ironman92;1321923 wrote:The crappy Magic beat the even worse Pistons
Re**** with 23....a top 94 player IMO
No way I would put him at 96
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 16, 2012 10:32pm
Crimson streak;1321927 wrote:No way I would put him at 96
PM me your top 95 pls.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 16, 2012 10:34pm
You mean the same experts who didn't select Harden last year for the all-star game? Or ever? LOL That's already 24 players better than Harden according to the experts(and Rondo who was selected by the coaches makes it 25). :thumbup:lhslep134;1321921 wrote:I'll defer to those actually paid to watch and analyze rather than you guys since clearly you're in denial.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/slamonline-top-50/2012/10/top-50-james-harden-no-20/
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 16, 2012 10:35pm
Watching Mem play the Knicks. Memphis might be my favorite team to watch so far this year, Conley has really progressed. Team is playing at such a high level right, really fun to watch.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Nov 16, 2012 10:41pm
Royce White threatening to quit, lol. One of the more predictable busts of all time, and coming off as a complete tool in my opinion. Meltdown was coming from a mile away.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 16, 2012 10:48pm
I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt when first hearing about his "health" issues, but after his recent Twitter outburst he can fuck off.Mulva;1321937 wrote:Royce White threatening to quit, lol. One of the more predictable busts of all time, and coming off as a complete tool in my opinion. Meltdown was coming from a mile away.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 16, 2012 10:48pm
From what I've been reading, White does not want to fly and will not travel by flight to any game. He essentially wants to play only home games. What a joke.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Nov 16, 2012 10:50pm
lol what a fucking pussy.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Nov 16, 2012 10:50pm
sleeper;1321941 wrote:From what I've been reading, White does not want to fly and will not travel by flight to any game. He essentially wants to play only home games. What a joke.
It's OK for Vin Scully....but he's 117 years old.