ptown_trojans_1;1276952 wrote:I expected this reply.
The short answer is, he has little influence, and he could be Clinton or Reagan and still have little influence.

Congress goes through waves where they give a lot of lead way

And THAT is a predictable response. It's a cop-out. You refuse to hold Obama accountable for his lack of leadership - something Reagan and Clinton did not lack (not to mention the ability to reach across the aisle). Obama can't even get his own party on board. You really should stop making excuses for him and just call a turd a turd.

gut;1276954 wrote:And THAT is a predictable response. It's a cop-out. You refuse to hold Obama accountable for his lack of leadership - something Reagan and Clinton did not lack (not to mention the ability to reach across the aisle). Obama can't even get his own party on board. You really should stop making excuses for him and just call a turd a turd.

lol.Sure, fine, he sucks domestically. Ya happy?

At least my reason has some analytic and historic backing, and not just me saying he sucks and is the anti-Christ, which is most of the posts here.

But, even if Romney is elected, he will do jack squat domestically as well.

ptown_trojans_1;1276955 wrote: But, even if Romney is elected, he will do jack squat domestically as well.

Doubtful. Obama's inability to do jack on the domestic front is solely on his failure of leadership. It's not like we haven't heard about "gridlock" before. I actually think Harry Reid is the bigger problem, but c'mon dude that's your own party.

gut;1277400 wrote:Doubtful. Obama's inability to do jack on the domestic front is solely on his failure of leadership. It's not like we haven't heard about "gridlock" before. I actually think Harry Reid is the bigger problem, but c'mon dude that's your own party.

Doubtful?
Care to elaborate on how Romney will get the Congress to bow to Executive influence?
I have yet to see it.

He has no plan. He has no strategy.

ptown_trojans_1;1277403 wrote:Doubtful?
Care to elaborate on how Romney will get the Congress to bow to Executive influence?
I have yet to see it.

He has no plan. He has no strategy.

And what's Obama's plan/strategy? I want specific details on how Obama is going to reach across the aisle. :rolleyes:

ptown_trojans_1;1277403 wrote:Doubtful?
Care to elaborate on how Romney will get the Congress to bow to Executive influence?
I have yet to see it.

He has no plan. He has no strategy.

What plan or strategy do you refer? It's basic. Clinton learned to do it, Obama shunned it. You act like it's some special skill or secret to be able to sit down, negotiate and compromise. And, yeah, Romney has proven it in business and as gov of MA.

You want to double-down on failure, go ahead. But spare us the irrational affirmative defense. There's nothing quite so pathetic as acknowledging failure, but approving anyway because of some strawman argument that the other guy hasn't "proven" better. You are basically saying there is no level of failure from Obama that you will not accept. Clearly, for whatever reason, you will go to any length to rationalize voting for Obama.

ccrunner609;1277696 wrote:Since when do you have to see something....you were the one that voted for Obama on his strong foreign policy........laughable cause when you voted for him he had no experience in that area.

Your argument about Romney not having the ability to handle leadership is funny cause your boy still doesnt have any.

Correct.

And as for Romney, he has untold leadership experience at doing exactly what we need: turnaround!

So, on one hand you have a record of complete failure, and on the other hand you have a proven private sector record of great success. Can someone please explain why we are even bothering to vote; it's a no-brainer!

gut;1277582 wrote:You want to double-down on failure, go ahead. But spare us the irrational affirmative defense. There's nothing quite so pathetic as acknowledging failure, but approving anyway because of some strawman argument that the other guy hasn't "proven" better. You are basically saying there is no level of failure from Obama that you will not accept. Clearly, for whatever reason, you will go to any length to rationalize voting for Obama.

Well said.

ptown_trojans_1;1276955 wrote: But, even if Romney is elected, he will do jack squat domestically as well.

No...Mitt will fix it all. Nobody on these boards has a clue exactly how. But he will fix it. He will fix it all. He was such a fine, fine outstanding businessman.

Footwedge;1279482 wrote:No...Mitt will fix it all. Nobody on these boards has a clue exactly how. But he will fix it. He will fix it all. He was such a fine, fine outstanding businessman.

Obama doesn't know how to fix it - we KNOW this - so how about give someone else a chance? Or just accept another 4 years of proven failure.