Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Aug 23, 2012 10:53pm
Lance Armstrong will not fight doping charges. Admission of guilt?
http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8298135/usada-ban-lance-armstrong-life-strip-seven-tour-de-france-titles-charges-used-performance-enhancing-drugs-cycling-career
http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8298135/usada-ban-lance-armstrong-life-strip-seven-tour-de-france-titles-charges-used-performance-enhancing-drugs-cycling-career
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Aug 23, 2012 10:55pm
I don't think it's an admission of guilt. They've been after him for how many years now? They've never proven anything, but refuse to give up. I'm sure he's tired of dealing with it.Automatik;1253407 wrote:Lance Armstrong will not fight doping charges. Admission of guilt?
http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8298135/usada-ban-lance-armstrong-life-strip-seven-tour-de-france-titles-charges-used-performance-enhancing-drugs-cycling-career
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Aug 23, 2012 10:55pm
Definitely an admission guilt. And I would like to add that I really don't give a shit. Literally everyone in cycling used.
THE4RINGZ
Posts: 16,816
Aug 23, 2012 11:12pm
The guy beat cancer, needed a boost to get back in his sport. Who gives a fuck?
THE4RINGZ
Posts: 16,816
Aug 23, 2012 11:14pm
It's just like the MLB, people were using and no one gave a shit because the stands were full of fans wanting to see a 600 foot home run. The league made money and now for them to get the holier than thou attitude is sickening. Everyone knew what was going on and no one said shit because their pockets were full of cash. Very similar to The Tour.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Aug 23, 2012 11:22pm
se-alum;1253411 wrote:I don't think it's an admission of guilt. They've been after him for how many years now? They've never proven anything, but refuse to give up. I'm sure he's tired of dealing with it.
+1
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Aug 23, 2012 11:35pm
Do they even have any tour winners anymore? I think they have stripped the last 90
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
Aug 23, 2012 11:44pm
Obviously I don't know if he cheated or not, but this is whats wrong with this process. No matter what reasons he gives that he stopped fighting, it will be perceived as an admission of guilty. The whole thing has been a lose-lose situation. He doesn't test positive, they say he hid it well. He fights it, they say he is hiding something. He stops fighting, they say it's an admission of guilt. It's basically learned helplessness.wildcats20;1253412 wrote:Definitely an admission guilt. And I would like to add that I really don't give a ****. Literally everyone in cycling used.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Aug 23, 2012 11:54pm
Lance is still an American hero and the best cyclist of all time.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Aug 24, 2012 12:56am
lol, something everyone already knew. Dirtest sport around, glad now Lance apoligist can now STFU.
Honestly its like Bonds/Hafner/etc to me. Anyone knows it, get it over with and move on.
Honestly its like Bonds/Hafner/etc to me. Anyone knows it, get it over with and move on.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Aug 24, 2012 1:27am
Who cares? It was always obvious he used something. Everyone in cycling is using, what is the likelihood that someone could be the greatest ever WHILE competing on an uneven playing field? It doesn't change the fact he got off his death bed to win 7 titles.
He's done more good than 99% of people through his Livestrong foundation. If using PED's was what it took to put himself in a position to raise half a billion dollars for cancer research and treatment, then so be it.
His biggest crime was seeming too perfect. It's the reason people will rejoice at his downfall.
He's done more good than 99% of people through his Livestrong foundation. If using PED's was what it took to put himself in a position to raise half a billion dollars for cancer research and treatment, then so be it.
His biggest crime was seeming too perfect. It's the reason people will rejoice at his downfall.
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Aug 24, 2012 5:45am
2kool4skool;1253512 wrote: He's done more good than 99% of people through his Livestrong foundation.
Paterno did lots of good things too, emirite? Yes, he's just like a person who covered up child rape.
Just kidding. Let's stand by him like his wife stood by him.
He's a POS.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 24, 2012 6:13am
I don't think it is an admission of guilt. Through his career, they were never able to prove anything, even as the most tested cyclist. The USDA apparently only is allowed to go back 8 years in investigation, yet they went 17 years back with Lance.
Also lol Ted, there is no correlation between the PSU situation and Lance's.
Also lol Ted, there is no correlation between the PSU situation and Lance's.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Aug 24, 2012 6:39am
Why wouldn't he fight it? Seems fishy. He's passed every test, thus the only reason for him to do this is if he knew they had something. Otherwise 'defending' yourself is the same as it has always been
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Aug 24, 2012 6:48am
jordo212000;1253542 wrote:Why wouldn't he fight it? Seems fishy. He's passed every test, thus the only reason for him to do this is if he knew they had something. Otherwise 'defending' yourself is the same as it has always been
Maybe because he's sick of the bullshit? He passed every test they threw at him. If they had something on him, they would have already said so.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Aug 24, 2012 6:56am
he knows and the world knows that he won. taking away the medals or whatever wont make us forget the he won those races. why fight it anymore.jordo212000;1253542 wrote:Why wouldn't he fight it? Seems fishy. He's passed every test, thus the only reason for him to do this is if he knew they had something. Otherwise 'defending' yourself is the same as it has always been
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Aug 24, 2012 7:21am
Glory Days;1253548 wrote:he knows and the world knows that he won. taking away the medals or whatever wont make us forget the he won those races. why fight it anymore.
I think it is very obvious why you continue to fight it. If you are completely innocent you fight something.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Aug 24, 2012 7:27am
I agree with this.THE4RINGZ;1253432 wrote:The guy beat cancer, needed a boost to get back in his sport. Who gives a fuck?
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Aug 24, 2012 7:34am
jordo212000;1253555 wrote:I think it is very obvious why you continue to fight it. If you are completely innocent you fight something.
What about the people who are completely guilty and continue to fight? Nice logic fail.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Aug 24, 2012 7:46am
jordo212000;1253555 wrote:I think it is very obvious why you continue to fight it. If you are completely innocent you fight something.
There comes a point when you get tired of wasting time, money, and energy on something. How many times does he have to prove them wrong?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Aug 24, 2012 8:02am
So if he is guilty you have no issue with him passing himself off as clean, stand up citizen and constantly bringing up his past tests?ernest_t_bass;1253557 wrote:I agree with this.
Fuck it, he beat cancer right? He just doped to get a boost. :laugh:
I don't have any issues w/ Armstrong, but I thought he was doping wayyyy back.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Aug 24, 2012 8:17am
Guilty for sure and Usain Bolt & the rest of the Jamaicans will be revealed too.
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
Aug 24, 2012 9:23am
He did fight it for over a decade with multiple organizations, including the Justice Department, initiating investigations. It has to be physically and emotionally draining to have to defend oneself years after an event took place, especially when physical evidence is in his favor. It really can be a classic case of Learned Helplessness. Why should he even try to fight it if he realizes that he has no control over the situation.jordo212000;1253555 wrote:I think it is very obvious why you continue to fight it. If you are completely innocent you fight something.
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
Aug 24, 2012 9:25am
On the news today, they mentioned that this may give the International Cycling Union the opportunity to appear the decision to some court or arbitrator in Switzerland. They may be a more impartial place for the situation to play itself out as it's obvious that whether Lance is guilty or not, AADA was not going to keep it fair.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Aug 24, 2012 11:36am
Somewhere around 500 drug tests in 10 years or so is what i heard. how much more does he have to do? instead of fighting it this time, he is basically just ignoring them and not giving them any more attention etc.jordo212000;1253555 wrote:I think it is very obvious why you continue to fight it. If you are completely innocent you fight something.