Footwedge;1256720 wrote: You see, you and O-Trap have fallen into the abyss of being programmed to blame government, inspite of the overwhelming evidence that there exists a crystal clear collaboration and collusion of blame.,,both government and the corporate elite. Remind me a lot of Orwell's Animal Farm whereby Boxer would say "2 legs bad, 4 legs good". (translated to government bad, unbridled capitalism good), without any semblance of thought and reasoning in binding to that position.

The two of you can't even acknowledge the truth that the government is controlled by the power elite. And really, there is no rational argument to present to counter this.

Somehow, i suppose, the deregulation of the investment banking cartel, which undeniably led to the demise of 39% of America's wealth was all "due to bad government". LOL. Boxer: "2 legs bad, 4 legs good". Refrain...over and over.

The same principle holds true regarding the Fed, the Treasury, and the monetary policy. You think it's all the gobblement's doing. Well, it really isn't...as policy is ordered by the very few.

Following the money trail is a pretty simple concept wouldn't you agree? So who collects the interest from the fiat money created out of thin air? A clue....it ain't the government. Another clue...It is the private sector.

First of all, deregulation didn't "undeniably" lead to anything. The only part of Glass Steagall that was repealed was separating commercial banks from investment banks. Only two of the banks that failed or were bailed out had combined those two areas. That's beside the point.

I'm pretty sure I've said many of those same exact things before. I know the government is owned by a wealthy elite. I know that private individuals make money lending the government money created out of thin air.

I also know that governments helped make them that wealthy by granting them monopolies (like the Federal Reserve) or just regulating away their competition. I know without a violent force the size of a government to grant them these privileges, they would be at the mercy of competitors and be forced to serve customers instead of buying politicians. These elite get their power from the government officials they own, and without the government would lose that power and most of their fortunes.

This is the part where we differ. You think if this same corrupt government intrudes on our right to private property it will regulate the problems away, all the while their strings are being pulled by the same elite scum. I know that doesn't work, and the only solution is to get the government out. Remove the source of their power and wealth.

Footwedge;1256747 wrote: Anyone that truly loves our country...and I mean truly loves our country, need to set aside all their preconceived notions on the "philosophy of internationally unbridled free trade" and envision a true environment whereby all the ships would be rising again...in America...as opposed to this infestation of negativity and hopelessness that has permeated our entire band of citizens.

True Scottsman fallacy.

Every single day, a staunch libertarian author from a staunch libertarian website rails on the "bankers and the power elites". But I thought libertarians didn't care what the central banks do? When it comes to free trade, the libertarians have a funny way of speaking out of both sides of their mouth.

"Who is guaranteed to win regardless of the outcome of the war and whether it can be contained? The Anglo-American financial elites and the bankers always win every conflict regardless of the military outcome. This is the history of the 20th century and I see no reason that will change now."

http://lewrockwell.com/holland/holland66.1.html

Free markets are great...according to the libertarians....but maybe free markets are not all created equal...at least when speaking of the free market bankers.

sleeper;1256874 wrote:True Scottsman fallacy.

Great news Sleeper..thought I'd share. Right now, there's about 6.3 workers per 1 social security beneficiary. In about ten years whenever us boomers hang up our spikes for good, the ratio will be about 2.7 workers for every boomer collecting SS.

I'm gonna need you and your brothers to work twice as hard as before...so that us boomers can get in 18 holes, 3 or 4 times a week.

Times will be brutal for the working class. Might be time to check in to the local Christian church for some emotional guidance, Whatcha think?

Footwedge;1257426 wrote:But I thought libertarians didn't care what the central banks do?

All central banks are government institutions by definition.

No worries Foot. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the numbers and see that SS/Medicare, etc will be cut and the age of retirement will be raised 5-6 years. Enjoy your check of $100 a month LOL

We need to run America more like a corporation!

[video]http://crooksandliars.com/media/play/wmv/25414/[/video]

Cleveland Buck;1257474 wrote:All central banks are government institutions by definition.

No they are not. When the government collects the interest on the loans, then we can discuss.

Footwedge;1261411 wrote:No they are not. When the government collects the interest on the loans, then we can discuss.

They could not exist without a government granted monopoly. It doesn't matter who makes the money.

Cleveland Buck;1261460 wrote:They could not exist without a government granted monopoly. It doesn't matter who makes the money.

Who started the FED? It wasn't Wilson. He ws just the first pawn to get sucked into the monopolitic banking scam. And it does matter who makes the money. At the end of the day, the Central Banks credit their couffers and the taxpayer debits there's.

Moreover, who funded WWII? Why was the FED instituted? Who benefited by it? Hint, hint...not the damn government.

Footwedge;1261496 wrote:Who started the FED? It wasn't Wilson. He ws just the first pawn to get sucked into the monopolitic banking scam. And it does matter who makes the money. At the end of the day, the Central Banks credit their couffers and the taxpayer debits there's.

Moreover, who funded WWII? Why was the FED instituted? Who benefited by it? Hint, hint...not the damn government.

You are correct, but you still aren't getting what I'm saying. The bankers that founded the Fed did not just open up shop. It would have been a waste of time without government weapons enforcing their monopoly. They would have had to compete with gold and other banks like they did before, which didn't make enough money to their liking. They went to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and had the Federal Reserve Act passed in Congress in the middle of the night on Christmas break.

The two national banks that came up in our history also were created by acts of Congress. So yes the bankers own the government and get rich from it. But without the government to enable them central banks would not exist and the bankers would be nothing to worry about.

Bigdogg;1261102 wrote:We need to run America more like a corporation!

We do. Too bad we've been running it like GM.

Cleveland Buck;1261589 wrote:You are correct, but you still aren't getting what I'm saying. The bankers that founded the Fed did not just open up shop. It would have been a waste of time without government weapons enforcing their monopoly. They would have had to compete with gold and other banks like they did before, which didn't make enough money to their liking. They went to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and had the Federal Reserve Act passed in Congress in the middle of the night on Christmas break.

The two national banks that came up in our history also were created by acts of Congress. So yes the bankers own the government and get rich from it. But without the government to enable them central banks would not exist and the bankers would be nothing to worry about.

Fair enough Buck. I agree there. I should save my debate energies towards all those here that don't get it....not towards guys like you who do get it.:thumbup:

Footwedge;1262588 wrote:Fair enough Buck. I agree there. I should save my debate energies towards all those here that don't get it....not towards guys like you who do get it.:thumbup:

F**king-A, I was trying to say the same damn thing!