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gut

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Aug 26, 2012 2:51 AM
isadore;1254809 wrote:gosh a ruddies great deficit creators, you mean ron reagan and georgie jr.
Obama's added more to the debt in 3.5yrs than those two combined for in SIXTEEN years.
Aug 25, 2012 10:51pm
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isadore

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Aug 26, 2012 3:31 AM
gosh a ruddies when reagan came into office the national debt was 32.5% of gdp. by the time george bush jr left office gdp was 84.2% of gdp. the only decline in the percentage over the time of the time from 1981-2009 was during the last years of the clinton presidency. the reagan and bush tax cut plunged us into debt and then at the end of bush's time in office his policies plunge us into the worse economic decline in 70 years, which he hands over to his successor to solve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt
Aug 25, 2012 11:31pm
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gut

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Aug 26, 2012 7:47 AM
Oh good lord, not another liberal that can't read charts
Aug 26, 2012 3:47am
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Aug 26, 2012 11:48 AM
password;1254734 wrote:He claims on his transcript that he was born in Kenya, but only to get accepted at the school as a foreign student.
If that is true ..... Bottomline that fraud and should be investigated for the truth.
Aug 26, 2012 7:48am
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Aug 26, 2012 12:23 PM
gut;1254904 wrote:Oh good lord, not another liberal that can't read charts
Isadore can't read chart because he has a serious Kool Aid addiction.
Aug 26, 2012 8:23am
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Aug 26, 2012 5:39 PM
gosh a ruddies what can be seen by those not blinded by avarice or bigotry? Reagan and Bush jr pushed us into the debt crisis with their tax cuts for the rich.
Aug 26, 2012 1:39pm
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gut

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Aug 26, 2012 5:50 PM
I'm not greedy, I pay a lot in taxes. I don't begrudge people who have worked hard for what they have. And the Obamaconomy has cost the govt more in revenues than the tax cuts. But keep drinking the kool-aid - you can't come close to closing trillion dollar deficits by soaking the rich.
Aug 26, 2012 1:50pm
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Aug 26, 2012 6:20 PM
Gosh that’s right, obama was handed soaring prosperity by the Bushies. What did he get :the worst economy is 70 years, an enormous national debt already in place and a federal reserve that had used up almost all its monetary stimuli. Of course we can cut into that debt by getting the rich to pay the taxes they should.
Aug 26, 2012 2:20pm
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gut

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Aug 26, 2012 6:47 PM
Yeah, and he's followed up the worst economy in 70 years with the worst recovery in history. Probably why so few people are paying taxes. And, really, it disgusts me to hear people who aren't paying taxes saying the rich should pay more.

I really can't believe the focus is on the rich paying more instead of what is Obama doing to improve the economy and to improve your wages? Why are you so willing to settle for handouts? It's just so un-American to not want to EARN your prosperity.
Aug 26, 2012 2:47pm
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Aug 26, 2012 7:26 PM
Worst recovery gosh here are a few examples of worse recoveries, there are others
During the Jefferson administration (1801-1809) recession from 1802-1804 following by a Depression beginning in 1807 ended in 1810.
Madison Administration (1809-1817) Depression ended in 1810, followed by 6 month recession in 1812, and another Depression beginning in 1815.
JQ Adams (1825-1829)
Recession ending in 1826 and began in 1828 ended
Jackson (1829-1837) Recession ended 1829 another began in 1833 o 1834, another began in 1836 to 1838.
Van Buren (1837-1841)
Recession ended in 1838 and Depression began in 1839 to 1843
Polk (1845-1849) recession ended 1846 and began in 1848
Buchanan (1857-1861) recession ended 1858 another began in 1860.
Grant (1869-1877) recession ended 1870 another began in 1873
Cleveland second term (1893-1897) depression ended 1894 another began 1896
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States
For the last 30 years the rich have been given one tax break after another, time to pay up for the avaricious.
And lets end that income ceiling on social security taxes.
　
Aug 26, 2012 3:26pm
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gut

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Aug 26, 2012 7:55 PM
isadore;1255114 wrote:Worst recovery gosh here are a few examples of worse recoveries, there are others
During the Jefferson administration (1801-1809) recession from 1802-1804 following by a Depression beginning in 1807 ended in 1810.
Madison Administration (1809-1817) Depression ended in 1810, followed by 6 month recession in 1812, and another Depression beginning in 1815.
JQ Adams (1825-1829)
Recession ending in 1826 and began in 1828 ended
Jackson (1829-1837) Recession ended 1829 another began in 1833 o 1834, another began in 1836 to 1838.
Van Buren (1837-1841)
Recession ended in 1838 and Depression began in 1839 to 1843
Polk (1845-1849) recession ended 1846 and began in 1848
Buchanan (1857-1861) recession ended 1858 another began in 1860.
Grant (1869-1877) recession ended 1870 another began in 1873
Cleveland second term (1893-1897) depression ended 1894 another began 1896
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States
For the last 30 years the rich have been given one tax break after another, time to pay up for the avaricious.
And lets end that income ceiling on social security taxes.
　
LMAO. Seriously? I'm not going to bother trying to explain what a "recovery" is, or comment on the speed/smoothing of economic cycles from 150 years ago.

And you can't give tax breaks to people who don't pay any. The word you are looking for is "handout". You want more handouts. We get it.
Aug 26, 2012 3:55pm
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Aug 26, 2012 7:58 PM
password;1255120 wrote:This could be the reason he will not release them or maybe his racist, anti american papers would be made public.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2012/08/08/former-columbia-classmate-calls-obama-unseal-college-transcripts
That, and/or a bunch of Marxist classes or associations. I doubt it's anything to do with grades since Chicago is a top law school and they would typically only hire people from the top of elite programs.

Either that, or he wasn't a "US citizen" when it was more convenient to be from Kenya. And I'm not a birther, just saying he might have played the game.
Aug 26, 2012 3:58pm
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Aug 26, 2012 8:11 PM
gut;1255122 wrote:LMAO. Seriously? I'm not going to bother trying to explain what a "recovery" is, or comment on the speed/smoothing of economic cycles from 150 years ago.

And you can't give tax breaks to people who don't pay any. The word you are looking for is "handout". You want more handouts. We get it.
gut wrote: the worst recovery in history.
gosh I guess not after your statement was shown to be a complete falsehood. It was shown again and again how recoveries became double dip declines in unregulated economies.
I realize your heart bleeds for the avaricious, but hopefully their gravy train will end during President Obama’s second term.
Aug 26, 2012 4:11pm
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gut

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Aug 26, 2012 10:55 PM
isadore;1255133 wrote:gosh I guess not after your statement was shown to be a complete falsehood. It was shown again and again how recoveries became double dip declines in unregulated economies.
I realize your heart bleeds for the avaricious, but hopefully their gravy train will end during President Obama’s second term.
No, it's apples and oranges. I don't have the time or patience to teach you economics when you have so much else to learn. The structure and shape of recessions/recoveries and the economic cycles have changed fairly dramatically since we started using monetary policy to help smooth things out.

Regardless, simply listing recessions years after prior ones says absolutely NOTHING about the strength and quality of those recovery. Economic cycles have become longer and smoother, which is all your "data" really shows.

And, seriously, you're going to try to prop-up your feckless leader by arguing whether or not this is the worst recovery on record?

My heart, by the way, does not bleed for greed but weeps for those hopelessly dependent on the govt teet.
Aug 26, 2012 6:55pm
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Aug 26, 2012 11:42 PM
Bollocks! Much we find much worse recoveries than what we have seen under Obama. Recoveries that were short lived or lacked depth and then lead to double dip recession or depression. Recessions and depression in which people lost their jobs, farms and homes. Business went bankrupt and banks closed.
You know the federal reserve might be able to do more to aid the economy if they had not shot their wad keeping the false prosperity of the Bush years alive. And the fiscal policy of Reagan and Bush had tripled the national debt as a percentage of national debt, but they did make your avaricious friends happy with the unjustified tax cuts for the rich.
Aug 26, 2012 7:42pm
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gut

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Aug 26, 2012 11:57 PM
Whatever. The economy was not as good in the 1800's as today, because you say so. Completely apples-to-oranges, but hang your hat on that if you must.
Aug 26, 2012 7:57pm
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Aug 27, 2012 1:33 AM
gut;1255227 wrote:No, it's apples and oranges. I don't have the time or patience to teach you economics when you have so much else to learn. The structure and shape of recessions/recoveries and the economic cycles have changed fairly dramatically since we started using monetary policy to help smooth things out.

Regardless, simply listing recessions years after prior ones says absolutely NOTHING about the strength and quality of those recovery. Economic cycles have become longer and smoother, which is all your "data" really shows.

And, seriously, you're going to try to prop-up your feckless leader by arguing whether or not this is the worst recovery on record?

My heart, by the way, does not bleed for greed but weeps for those hopelessly dependent on the govt teet.
Obama maximized every component that he has authority to implement as it relates to fiscal and monetary policy. Maximized to all...the executive powers at his disposal.

And yet...over and over and over you clamor that Obama's policies have failed.

He exercized the exact policy and thinking that every Congress and president has implemented since WW2. Due to the severity of what was laid at his feet, he did some that were in fact unprecedented in scope, but identical to others in office facing similar dilemmas. So go ahead and tell me, what magic underpants moment will Romney pull out of his ass that will cure the sytemic problem that both parties have created?

Go.
Aug 26, 2012 9:33pm
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gut

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Aug 27, 2012 3:32 AM
Footwedge;1255339 wrote: And yet...over and over and over you clamor that Obama's policies have failed.
Go.
Because they have. This is not debatable. Go talk to some business leaders about uncertainty and the tax & regulatory environment. Or continue pretending it doesn't exist. Reality is Obama has managed to create a strong anti-business environment...and that's also the perception, which is also reality.

Romney's greatest asset is that he's not Obama. Truth.
Aug 26, 2012 11:32pm
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isadore

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Aug 27, 2012 12:07 PM
gosh what did we get with the last president who had a pro-corporation environment, the worst recession in 70 years.
Aug 27, 2012 8:07am
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gut

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Aug 27, 2012 4:21 PM
isadore;1255493 wrote:gosh what did we get with the last president who had a pro-corporation environment, the worst recession in 70 years.
Maybe you should blame the greedy homeowners buying houses they couldn't afford.
Aug 27, 2012 12:21pm
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Aug 27, 2012 6:34 PM
gut;1255416 wrote:Because they have. This is not debatable. Go talk to some business leaders about uncertainty and the tax & regulatory environment. Or continue pretending it doesn't exist. Reality is Obama has managed to create a strong anti-business environment...and that's also the perception, which is also reality.

Romney's greatest asset is that he's not Obama. Truth.
Bingo! There is a reason business is sitting on $2 trillion: obama's anti-business regime, and the FACT that they don't trust him - period. We are all waiting for November, if he gets re-elected we will have more of the same and then die; if Romney wins there will be a profound economic recovery.
Aug 27, 2012 2:34pm
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Aug 27, 2012 7:35 PM
QuakerOats;1255675 wrote:Bingo! There is a reason business is sitting on $2 trillion: obama's anti-business regime, and the FACT that they don't trust him - period. We are all waiting for November, if he gets re-elected we will have more of the same and then die; if Romney wins there will be a profound economic recovery.
Business does not trust Obama and his Agenda for America. I deal with a vast array of business of all sizes. Those that are still operation and those who are one job from going under all say the same things generally... "Obama must go for US to grow" sorry I made up that slogan .

I'm holding on because I believe the America people of all race and creed knows a fraud and a lie after three years and those who still support this incompetent, fraud, anti-America socialist clown are followers of false hope and change…. Poor people believe in Obama he made them poorer and that what they want to be …entitlement poor.
Aug 27, 2012 3:35pm
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isadore

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Aug 27, 2012 10:07 PM
gut;1255618 wrote:Maybe you should blame the greedy homeowners buying houses they couldn't afford.
blame the victims, rather than their corporate exploiters.
Aug 27, 2012 6:07pm
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Aug 27, 2012 10:25 PM
isadore;1255810 wrote:blame the victims, rather than their corporate exploiters.
I don't blame the motorcycle manufacturer because someone kills themselves doing 150 on their bike. I don't blame Budweiser because some alcoholic can pick-up up a 24-pack and drink himself silly. I guess I missed the part where these home buyers had a gun held to their head and forced to sign. Like I said, liberals don't believe in personal responsibility and are always looking for scapegoats.
Aug 27, 2012 6:25pm