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Belly35

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Jul 20, 2012 11:00 AM
Where are we (Americans) safe anymore? Theater, schools, malls and subway the list is endless violence, terror, death and destruction at the hands of sick individuals within our society. Was this the plan of the Developed Society?

Is it time to alter what is wrong with today’s value, morals and beliefs … should we get back to basics to correct what others have envisioned as a Developing Society.

God and Country, Marriage Unity, Schools and Colleges that teaches facts, history and science without bias, Completion is good, Military Obligation, Politician held accountable, Laws enforced and the list goes on….
Jul 20, 2012 11:00am
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MontyBrunswick

Jul 20, 2012 11:07 AM
More people in the world today = more deviant behavior = more tragedy.

It's a numbers game.

Ib4 mod inexplicably banning me
Jul 20, 2012 11:07am
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thavoice

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Jul 20, 2012 11:08 AM
While I dont disagree with some of what you say I think that we as Americans are pretty darned safe.

MOST violence isnt random.

We dont have suicide bombers, car bombs and people openly carrying AK's like you see in alot of the countries around the world that have been around much longer than we have as a nation.

I know that a tragedy like this usually makes alot of us wonder about violence in our lives, but to be quite honest we should all be more afraid of getting killed in accidents than in random acts of violence
Jul 20, 2012 11:08am
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Mulva

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Jul 20, 2012 11:08 AM
dlazz;1229805 wrote:More people in the world today = more deviant behavior = more tragedy.

It's a numbers game.

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Beat me to it. When you have 7 billion people on a planet, some of them are going to be crazy.
Jul 20, 2012 11:08am
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FatHobbit

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8,651 posts
Jul 20, 2012 11:09 AM
This stuff isn't new.
Jul 20, 2012 11:09am
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SportsAndLady

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35,632 posts
Jul 20, 2012 11:12 AM
Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, fucking, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity.
Marilyn Manson
Jul 20, 2012 11:12am
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Raw Dawgin' it

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Jul 20, 2012 11:19 AM
dlazz;1229805 wrote:Ib4 mod inexplicably banning me
you sound like sleeper...wouldn't be surprised if he's an alter ego of yours too. You weren't banned since you could still post btw.
Jul 20, 2012 11:19am
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MontyBrunswick

Jul 20, 2012 11:51 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1229816 wrote:you sound like sleeper...wouldn't be surprised if he's an alter ego of yours too. You weren't banned since you could still btw.

You accidentally a word.
Jul 20, 2012 11:51am
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Raw Dawgin' it

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Jul 20, 2012 11:54 AM
dlazz;1229828 wrote:You accidentally a word.
pretty sure you knew what i meant.
Jul 20, 2012 11:54am
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MontyBrunswick

Jul 20, 2012 11:55 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1229831 wrote:pretty sure you knew what i meant.

;)
Jul 20, 2012 11:55am
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Steel Valley Football

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Jul 20, 2012 11:57 AM
Belly once again. The sky is falling.
Jul 20, 2012 11:57am
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SnotBubbles

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4,492 posts
Jul 20, 2012 1:09 PM
I blame the gays.
Jul 20, 2012 1:09pm
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Pick6

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14,946 posts
Jul 20, 2012 1:17 PM
I blame the baby boomers.
Jul 20, 2012 1:17pm
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ts1227

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12,319 posts
Jul 20, 2012 1:23 PM
Pick6;1229894 wrote:I blame the baby boomers.

I've have repped you if you had quoted footwedge and used this line
Jul 20, 2012 1:23pm
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TedSheckler

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Jul 20, 2012 1:31 PM
Oh, I thought this was going to be a thread about the Browns.
Jul 20, 2012 1:31pm
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rmolin73

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4,278 posts
Jul 20, 2012 2:13 PM
I blame Obama who blames Bush.
Jul 20, 2012 2:13pm
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friendfromlowry

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Jul 20, 2012 8:54 PM
I'm sure the people going to the movies last night would have said they felt safe before they got shot. It's a roll of the dice. It can happen anywhere, anytime. All it takes is one sick person to get their hands on a gun. Personally, I'd like to see stricter gun laws. When the Virginia Tech incident happened, that loser had mental health problems but was able to purchase a gun anyways.
Jul 20, 2012 8:54pm
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Pick6

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Jul 20, 2012 9:03 PM
friendfromlowry;1230216 wrote:I'm sure the people going to the movies last night would have said they felt safe before they got shot. It's a roll of the dice. It can happen anywhere, anytime. All it takes is one sick person to get their hands on a gun. Personally, I'd like to see stricter gun laws. When the Virginia Tech incident happened, that loser had mental health problems but was able to purchase a gun anyways.
If there were stricter gun laws, I dont see how it would make any difference if somebody really want to get their hands on one. Weed, crack, etc, etc are illegal and if you are in an area with a decent population or a college campus you can find it pretty easy. Same with prescription pills and their abuse.
Jul 20, 2012 9:03pm
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friendfromlowry

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Jul 20, 2012 9:09 PM
Pick6;1230226 wrote:If there were stricter gun laws, I dont see how it would make any difference if somebody really want to get their hands on one. Weed, crack, etc, etc are illegal and if you are in an area with a decent population or a college campus you can find it pretty easy. Same with prescription pills and their abuse.
I understand what you're saying and I should have mentioned that in my original post. I brought up the VT case because all Cho had to do was forget to disclose his mental instability and no one ever checked like they were suppose to. I know guns fall into that category of "You can find them if you try hard enough" but it shouldn't have been that easy for him.
Jul 20, 2012 9:09pm
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sej

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Jul 20, 2012 10:45 PM
friendfromlowry;1230238 wrote:I understand what you're saying and I should have mentioned that in my original post. I brought up the VT case because all Cho had to do was forget to disclose his mental instability and no one ever checked like they were suppose to. I know guns fall into that category of "You can find them if you try hard enough" but it shouldn't have been that easy for him.
As far as I know, there's no real place to run a "crazy" check like you would a criminal history.
Jul 20, 2012 10:45pm
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tk421

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Jul 20, 2012 10:59 PM
sej;1230296 wrote:As far as I know, there's no real place to run a "crazy" check like you would a criminal history.
as far as I know, or have been reported, the guy wasn't crazy until he decided to shoot up the theater. Even if there were some law requiring a mental health check for a gun, he would have likely passed that.
Jul 20, 2012 10:59pm
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sej

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Jul 20, 2012 11:02 PM
tk421;1230310 wrote:as far as I know, or have been reported, the guy wasn't crazy until he decided to shoot up the theater. Even if there were some law requiring a mental health check for a gun, he would have likely passed that.
Yep. It's virtually impossible to really be able to check something like that.
Jul 20, 2012 11:02pm
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friendfromlowry

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Jul 20, 2012 11:03 PM
wrote:Two years before the shooting rampage, a judge deemed Cho a danger to himself due to mental illness, which should have disqualified him from buying a handgun under federal law.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/15/justice/virginia-tech-survivor/index.html
This is what I'm referring to. I don't really know enough on gun laws so who knows.

For the record, I wasn't trying to apply any of this to what happened today. I haven't heard anything about the gunman from today being crazy, either. I'm just proposing that the system has failed us in the past.
Jul 20, 2012 11:03pm
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Fly4Fun

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Jul 20, 2012 11:18 PM
sej;1230312 wrote:Yep. It's virtually impossible to really be able to check something like that.
The only way something like that happens if the person is already seeing a mental health professional and that professional reported the individual through the exception for confidentiality if they felt he was a threat (I don't know the exact standard they use).

As far as trying to point to incidents like this and say we were better off back when.

So let's just forget the slavery, or after that the fact that minorities were treated as second class citizens. Forget about the treatment of the Japanese Americans during WW2. Forget about how women used to be essentially treated like property. Forget the fact that it was legal to beat a woman as long as she was your wife. Hell, take it back before America as a country even exists. Was Europe really that great during the Inquisition (driven by Christianity). Was the Feudalism system amazing (strong presence of religion, patriotism, etc)?

To suggest that things were clearly better back in the past is a complete joke.

Things were different. But I would definitely challenge any assessment that they were indeed better.

To blame an incident like today on lack of religion, patriotism, alternative life styles or the education system is just a cheap excuse. This was an individual who will probably turn out to be mentally disturbed. The fact that his mom even said that they definitely had the right guy early in the process goes to show there was something wrong with him.

This is a tragic event, but don't try to use it to justify some insane theory about how the world used to be great and modern thoughts and freedoms have ruined it.
Jul 20, 2012 11:18pm
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believer

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Jul 21, 2012 8:49 AM
Fly4Fun;1230329 wrote:This is a tragic event, but don't try to use it to justify some insane theory about how the world used to be great and modern thoughts and freedoms have ruined it.
All true. However, it is equally wrong to turn tragedies like this one into political arguments or to use them to "justify" trampling on our Constitutional rights.

When tragedies like these occur (and there will be others) we all need to see them for what they really are: the sad and unfortunate actions of mentally ill individuals; nothing more.
Jul 21, 2012 8:49am