swoosh;1229467 wrote:They should not get a death penalty. The NCAA should stay out of this. This is not a memorabilia for tattoos thing, this is an FBI investigation. The NCAA needs to get that in their heads right now. And remember, this is happened in the past. Sandusky and JoePa is no longer on the team. There's no one they can suspend.

Perhaps not the death penalty, but they should receive some severe punishment.

ccrunner609;1229581 wrote:SMH????

THe NCAA is and should be all over this. THe whole coverup was a football/athletics program issue. It has everything to do with the NCAA. THis isnt the engineering or education department at the university covering up something.

The legal process hasn't fully played out yet. The feds are going to hammer them soon enough. (Clery act and who knows what else) After that whatever the NCAA does may seem insignificant.

WebFire;1229688 wrote:Perhaps not the death penalty, but they should receive some severe punishment.

I don't disagree that someone should be punished severely, but if they punish them now who is left that is responsible?

That's my biggest issue with the NCAA. When the NCAA punished USC for the things that Pete Carrol and Reggie Bush had done, they were long gone. When they punished OSU for the things that Jim Obrien had done, he was long gone. When they punished Michigan for the Fab 5, they were long gone. I hate that players who were uninvolved have to take the punishment for something someone else has done.

Penn State rumored to be taking down statue this weekend: https://twitter.com/KimJonesSports/status/226331763457261568

FatHobbit;1229699 wrote:I don't disagree that someone should be punished severely, but if they punish them now who is left that is responsible?

That's my biggest issue with the NCAA. When the NCAA punished USC for the things that Pete Carrol and Reggie Bush had done, they were long gone. When they punished OSU for the things that Jim Obrien had done, he was long gone. When they punished Michigan for the Fab 5, they were long gone. I hate that players who were uninvolved have to take the punishment for something someone else has done.

How do you propose they punish schools then? They have to do something or it would be a free-for-all.

swoosh;1229467 wrote:They should not get a death penalty. The NCAA should stay out of this. This is not a memorabilia for tattoos thing, this is an FBI investigation. The NCAA needs to get that in their heads right now. And remember, this is happened in the past. Sandusky and JoePa is no longer on the team. There's no one they can suspend.

that "memorabilia for tattoos thing" was part of an FBI investigation as well.

Death penalty may be the best thing for the program. Get out of the public eye for a couple of seasons and take a fresh start with totally new people in all positions. I don't like the fact that those who make the trouble never seem to be around to take the punishment, but there has to be something done. Calipari is a great example....put 3 schools on probation and he gets rewarded with possibly the best job in the nation and a national title! However, it is the school administration making these hires (and in this case covering things up) and punishment will hopefully (eventually) lead to some of the people who make trouble never finding good employment.

Pick6;1229954 wrote:that "memorabilia for tattoos thing" was part of an FBI investigation as well.

Well the guy who owned the parlor was being investigated by the FBI... it was largely independent of the NCAA violations in themselves though.

As has been said already, many (most?) NCAA punishments punish the people that didn't break the rule. Some are handed down after the player or coaches have left (Reggies Bush). Some affect a whole team for just a few's actions (OSU tattoos). This is no different

I agree that this happens as a matter of fact but do not agree with it. Besides Back in the old days when I was in Div 1 athletics I learned that the clearinghouse alone only had a dozen or so employees to watch EVERY incoming freshman scholorship athlete. They were also responsible for watching incoming transfers as well. All those kids to watch and a limited staff. What I mean is in many of these cases the infringements we read about are just a small portion of what goes on all over the country. And to be REALLY investigated you really have to be flagrant or simply make someone mad to really get dug into. When I was in college EVERY SINGLE basketball player drove around in Expeditions???? The head coach just happened to own a Ford dealership? There was no way these kids from some of the backgrounds they had could afford those cars. I watched players walk right out of SCHEDULED NCAA drug screenings, I put that in caps because the tests given by the SEC were a joke to everyone but when the NCAA came everyone knew someone was going to hold a cup and watch you pee in it and stage fright was not an allowable excuse (With the SEC test you could take the cup into the stall). With the NCAA testing you had to stay in that room and not leave until you provided a sample. Yeah, I watched guys walk right out of the room and not take the test and have no consequences. They were playing that weekend. I don't care what D1 school you are talking about you are NEVER going to be able to watch a bunch of kids all the time. And many of these kids never had nothing anyways, now they are expected to say no to an envelope from a booster??? That kind of stuff goes on way more than the general public knows. In the same breath I knew way more kids who didn't take money, get test questions before the test or walk out of a drug test.

Now with ALL THAT being typed, I see the Penn State thing as something TOTALLY criminal. We are not talking about trying to earn a few bucks, or getting a dinner paid for by a coach, or cheating on an exam to get a passing grade. These young people were taken advantage of in the worst possible way, and those found to be involved should also suffer. And I don't mean by not having sports to play... They should go to JAIL!!!!! I don't really care if they get the "death penalty" for these action, perhaps that makes me a bad person but I really don't care about them being allowed to catch balls or shoot hoops, If I was a parent I would want those involved incarcerated (I would probably vote dead but I can't). So I guess my proper response to if "they should get the death penalty for athletics"? is, I don't really care. BUT I do care to see that those involved get the book thrown at them. Sorry for this long response, didn't know it was this long until I was done, about the only thing I took away from college was the ability to type REALLY fast! LOL, the coming weeks are gong to be interesting for the entire Penn State community that's for sure. good thread and I enjoy seeing everyones opinions, very interesting!!! Have a great weekend!!!!

sanitizer;1229982 wrote: Now with ALL THAT being typed, I see the Penn State thing as something TOTALLY criminal. We are not talking about trying to earn a few bucks, or getting a dinner paid for by a coach, or cheating on an exam to get a passing grade. These young people were taken advantage of in the worst possible way, and those found to be involved should also suffer. And I don't mean by not having sports to play... They should go to JAIL!!!!! I don't really care if they get the "death penalty" for these action, perhaps that makes me a bad person but I really don't care about them being allowed to catch balls or shoot hoops, If I was a parent I would want those involved incarcerated (I would probably vote dead but I can't). So I guess my proper response to if "they should get the death penalty for athletics"? is, I don't really care. BUT I do care to see that those involved get the book thrown at them. Sorry for this long response, didn't know it was this long until I was done, about the only thing I took away from college was the ability to type REALLY fast! LOL, the coming weeks are gong to be interesting for the entire Penn State community that's for sure. good thread and I enjoy seeing everyones opinions, very interesting!!! Have a great weekend!!!!

Again, actions by Sandusky were a crime. The cover up and continuation of access to facilities is where I think the NCAA steps in. They are going punish PSU because of what Sandusky himself did.

Again, actions by Sandusky were a crime. The cover up and continuation of access to facilities is where I think the NCAA steps in. They are going punish PSU because of what Sandusky himself did

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I see your point, the ongoing investigation and information should be telling, well for the sake of the families I hope so.

maybe they found something better to hit this corrupted program than the death penalty. the freeh report was enough for quick action by the ncaa.

isadore;1231023 wrote:maybe they found something better to hit this corrupted program than the death penalty. the freeh report was enough for quick action by the ncaa.

No need for their own investigation, the Freeh report (PSU's internal investigation) will suffice. That's why the quick turnaround.

You guys seen this. I doubt it's true.

^^ wowwww

Sorry, but I don't buy that "leak from CBS" NO way the NCAA doesn't count transferring players toward the new school scholarship limit.

goosebumps;1231268 wrote:Sorry, but I don't buy that "leak from CBS" NO way the NCAA doesn't count transferring players toward the new school scholarship limit.

If not, how could any player transfer? Every team is going to be at full capacity at this point.

the_system;1231269 wrote:If not, how could any player transfer? Every team is going to be at full capacity at this point.

Thats actually a good point. Idk more of a gut feeling that several things on that list won't happen.

If those alleged sanctions are true, Penn State should just reload into a commuter college. That school will be crushed.

Talk about a complete 180 turn of events from a year ago. We will never see anything remotely close to this type of fall from a university again.

It's fake.

hopefully no other university's head coach and administrators will cover up continuing criminal atrocities of this scale.

the_system;1231269 wrote:If not, how could any player transfer? Every team is going to be at full capacity at this point.

I wouldnt be so sure about that. (Storm Klein just getting kicked off the team)

the_system;1231278 wrote:It's fake.

Weird. If only it didn't appear so legitimate.

Fucking insane if true. If it's true, Penn State football won't be around for 10-15 years.

bigkahuna;1231307 wrote:****ing insane if true. If it's true, Penn State football won't be around for 10-15 years.

They might as well just drop the game altogether. Like SMU before them, it would essentially be the demise of the program. There'd be no recovering, in my opinion. At least never to a national championship level again.

It's such a shame, because it's one of the great royal families of college football.