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Jul 10, 2012 1:42 PM
Hidden Government Scanners Will Instantly Know Everything About You From 164 Feet Away.
Within the next year or two, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security will instantly know everything about your body, clothes, and luggage with a new laser-based molecular scanner fired from 164 feet (50 meters) away. From traces of drugs or gun powder on your clothes to what you had for breakfast to the adrenaline level in your body—agents will be able to get any information they want without even touching you.
There has so far been no discussion about the personal rights and privacy issues involved. Which "molecular tags" will they be scanning for? Who determines them? What are the threshold levels of this scanning? If you unknowingly stepped on the butt of someone's joint and are carrying a sugar-sized grain of cannabis like that unfortunate traveler currently in jail in Dubai, will you be arrested?
http://gizmodo.com/5923980/
Jul 10, 2012 1:42pm
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Jul 10, 2012 1:43 PM
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Jul 10, 2012 1:43pm
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Jul 10, 2012 1:50 PM
While the technology is changing, what isn't is the concept that one has no expectation of privacy in public places. Nothing new about that.
Jul 10, 2012 1:50pm
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Jul 10, 2012 1:53 PM
You should expect no privacy in public places because they're PUBLIC PLACES
Jul 10, 2012 1:53pm
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Jul 10, 2012 2:05 PM
DA is gonna havta shower more than once a week now...
Jul 10, 2012 2:05pm
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Jul 10, 2012 2:14 PM
queencitybuckeye;1222532 wrote:While the technology is changing, what isn't is the concept that one has no expectation of privacy in public places. Nothing new about that.
ts1227;1222538 wrote:You should expect no privacy in public places because they're PUBLIC PLACES
I'm not sure being bombarded with radiation isn't a violation of personal privacy.
Jul 10, 2012 2:14pm
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Jul 10, 2012 2:16 PM
Premiers Thursday. Excited for Jannelle to be back in the house.
Jul 10, 2012 2:16pm
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Jul 10, 2012 6:59 PM
TedSheckler;1222562 wrote:Premiers Thursday. Excited for Jannelle to be back in the house.
Laughed.
Jul 10, 2012 6:59pm
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Jul 10, 2012 7:04 PM
TedSheckler;1222562 wrote:Premiers Thursday. Excited for Jannelle to be back in the house.
I'm pretty excited too!
Jul 10, 2012 7:04pm
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Jul 10, 2012 7:27 PM
ts1227;1222538 wrote:You should expect no privacy in public places because they're PUBLIC PLACES
you would be surprised on how many people dont understand this.
Jul 10, 2012 7:27pm
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Jul 10, 2012 7:42 PM
Glory Days;1222830 wrote:you would be surprised on how many people dont understand this.
It's illegal to look up a woman's skirt in public, regardless if you don't touch her. And that's in public. An officer can't require you to strip naked in a crowded mall because he thinks you stole something and hiding it on your person.

You do have a certain level of privacy expected no matter WHERE you are.
Jul 10, 2012 7:42pm
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Jul 10, 2012 7:52 PM
Sykotyk;1222846 wrote:It's illegal to look up a woman's skirt in public, regardless if you don't touch her. And that's in public. An officer can't require you to strip naked in a crowded mall because he thinks you stole something and hiding it on your person.

You do have a certain level of privacy expected no matter WHERE you are.
Of course, but I can take pictures of her without her permission and it would be perfectly legal (I wouldn't of course).
Jul 10, 2012 7:52pm
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Jul 10, 2012 8:08 PM
Sykotyk;1222846 wrote:It's illegal to look up a woman's skirt in public, regardless if you don't touch her. And that's in public. An officer can't require you to strip naked in a crowded mall because he thinks you stole something and hiding it on your person.

You do have a certain level of privacy expected no matter WHERE you are.

Yes, but that level covers those very basic things and not much more
Jul 10, 2012 8:08pm
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Jul 10, 2012 8:22 PM
I could definitely be wrong because I'm no constitutional scholar, but I think it all hinges on the definition of "reasonable". A person is secure in their persons and effects against unreasonable searches without probable cause/warrant everywhere, but they have less of a reasonable expectation of privacy at places like airports and border crossings. The security vs privacy balancing act or whatever.

I don't think a reasonable person expects their adrenaline levels to be laser-scanned as a prerequisite for flying though. In my opinion that's unconstitutional treatment in the name of security.

The TSA seems to be pretty invasive itself though. Lasers will just be more thorough and less incompetent.
Jul 10, 2012 8:22pm
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Jul 10, 2012 8:48 PM
ts1227;1222538 wrote:You should expect no privacy in public places because they're PUBLIC PLACES
This is derp logic.
Jul 10, 2012 8:48pm
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Jul 10, 2012 10:14 PM
Some of you could read "1984" and not be shocked by any of it. That is scary.
Jul 10, 2012 10:14pm
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Jul 10, 2012 10:51 PM
I think I have a reasonable expectation not to be scanned with a laser that may or may not cause me cancer later in life while in public.

Would I be able to build my own scanner to see through people's clothing and use that in public or would I get in trouble for that? If I can't do it, the government can't do it. Taking pictures is one thing, this is a virtual strip search X 1,000.
Jul 10, 2012 10:51pm
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Jul 10, 2012 10:57 PM
TedSheckler;1222562 wrote:Premiers Thursday. Excited for Jannelle to be back in the house.
Where's the thread?
Jul 10, 2012 10:57pm
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Jul 10, 2012 11:07 PM
sportswizuhrd;1223041 wrote:Where's the thread?
Here
Jul 10, 2012 11:07pm
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Jul 10, 2012 11:28 PM
WebFire;1222964 wrote:Some of you could read "1984" and not be shocked by any of it. That is scary.
Glory Days thought that the Party needed to get more comprehensive in it's use of measures to keep the Proles and Party members "safe". Not enough enforcement.
Jul 10, 2012 11:28pm
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Jul 10, 2012 11:29 PM
Mulva;1222873 wrote:I could definitely be wrong because I'm no constitutional scholar, but I think it all hinges on the definition of "reasonable". A person is secure in their persons and effects against unreasonable searches without probable cause/warrant everywhere, but they have less of a reasonable expectation of privacy at places like airports and border crossings. The security vs privacy balancing act or whatever.

I don't think a reasonable person expects their adrenaline levels to be laser-scanned as a prerequisite for flying though. In my opinion that's unconstitutional treatment in the name of security.

The TSA really ineffective unless the point is to waste money on the illusion of safety
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FTFY
Jul 10, 2012 11:29pm
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Jul 10, 2012 11:29 PM
Sykotyk;1222846 wrote:It's illegal to look up a woman's skirt in public, regardless if you don't touch her. And that's in public. An officer can't require you to strip naked in a crowded mall because he thinks you stole something and hiding it on your person.

You do have a certain level of privacy expected no matter WHERE you are.
apples and oranges.
Jul 10, 2012 11:29pm
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Jul 11, 2012 12:12 AM
Within my lifetime (I'm 41), the government will be able to ANYTHING they want. It will be a true police state.
Jul 11, 2012 12:12am
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Jul 12, 2012 4:04 PM
Steel Valley Football;1223110 wrote:Within my lifetime (I'm 41), the government will be able to ANYTHING they want. It will be a true police state.
they already can, don't kid yourself.
Jul 12, 2012 4:04pm