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Jul 12, 2012 2:05 PM
isadore;1221983 wrote:people do not have to be taught to hate corporations, all people have had to do was watch them in operation.
Yes, let's go back to the early 1900's, or even sooner, to a time when big corporations didn't dominate our lives. They didn't provide conveniences or wages, and people farmed all day and shat in outhouses and read by candle light sweating their ass off without a/c. Good times.
Jul 12, 2012 2:05pm
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Con_Alma

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Jul 12, 2012 2:10 PM
isadore;1222036 wrote:just another example of how the soulless entities dominate our lives.
Who are all these dingbats that choose to go work for them and* buy their products an services?
Jul 12, 2012 2:10pm
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Jul 12, 2012 3:19 PM
gut;1224374 wrote:Yes, let's go back to the early 1900's, or even sooner, to a time when big corporations didn't dominate our lives. They didn't provide conveniences or wages, and people farmed all day and shat in outhouses and read by candle light sweating their ass off without a/c. Good times.
Then gosh a ruddies what happened. Corporation arose. They worked men, women and children 6-7 days a week, 14 hours a day for next to nothing. They threw old and injured workers to the wayside. They operated in unbelievably dangerous factories and businesses. They sold customers products that were dangerous and sometimes deadly.
They corrupted our politics.




Then luckily our government began to regulate them. Children were protected, working conditions improved, unions were formed, wages became fairer and life was good. Then the evil republicans began to undermine this system and return us to the bad old days of rampant corporate greed.\\
Jul 12, 2012 3:19pm
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Jul 12, 2012 3:22 PM
If sleeper was banned his alter ego isadore should be banned too.
Jul 12, 2012 3:22pm
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Jul 12, 2012 3:35 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1224470 wrote:If sleeper was banned his alter ego isadore should be banned too.
Why was sleeper banned?
Jul 12, 2012 3:35pm
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Jul 12, 2012 3:36 PM
Pick6;1224494 wrote:Why was sleeper banned?
Wouldn't stop trolling LJ for being an expert lol
Jul 12, 2012 3:36pm
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Jul 13, 2012 12:46 PM
isadore;1224469 wrote:They worked men, women and children 6-7 days a week, 14 hours a day for next to nothing.
Whose choice was this to work in a factory as opposed to the family farm?
Jul 13, 2012 12:46pm
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isadore

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Jul 13, 2012 1:28 PM
Sonofanump;1225070 wrote:Whose choice was this to work in a factory as opposed to the family farm?
gosh they had no choice. as the country was settled there was no longer enough land to support the farm population and also millions of immigrants had no land to farm.
Jul 13, 2012 1:28pm
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Con_Alma

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Jul 13, 2012 5:07 PM
isadore;1225106 wrote:gosh they had no choice. as the country was settled there was no longer enough land to support the farm population and also millions of immigrants had no land to farm.
????

Farm land wasn't taken from them.

The immigrants chose to work in those factories. They chose to come here to do so.
Jul 13, 2012 5:07pm
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Fred Flintstone

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Jul 13, 2012 6:39 PM
I do not hate corporations but I would rather buy local than from corporations. I would prefer to get produce from the farmers market, eat at the mom and pop restaurants, and shop at smaller independent stores.
Jul 13, 2012 6:39pm
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Jul 13, 2012 6:53 PM
isadore;1224469 wrote: Then the evil republicans began to undermine this system and return us to the bad old days of rampant corporate greed.\\

Lol you're too much
Jul 13, 2012 6:53pm
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Jul 13, 2012 9:13 PM
Con_Alma;1225235 wrote:????

Farm land wasn't taken from them.

The immigrants chose to work in those factories. They chose to come here to do so.
families were too large for all the members to stay on the land, going into the factories was the choice available to that population surplus. Immigrants came to America, most of them very poor and had no choice but go into the factories.
Jul 13, 2012 9:13pm
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isadore

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Jul 13, 2012 9:14 PM
hasbeen;1225290 wrote:Lol you're too much
I know, I was overly complimentary of them.
Jul 13, 2012 9:14pm
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Con_Alma

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Jul 13, 2012 9:16 PM
People make decisions that have ramifications. No one took farms from families. If they got to large for the farm it wasn't because of corporations.

When immigrants came to the US it wasn't because corporations forced them to. Businesses don't owe people anything other than the paycheck the employee agreed to work for after and they finish the job.

Blaming corporations for families outgrowing farms and immigrants working in poor conditions completely absolves people form the decisions they themselves make, That's ridiculous. Those people chose poorly.
Jul 13, 2012 9:16pm
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Jul 13, 2012 10:04 PM
It's great that people today think it's perfectly okay to take advantage of others and treat them as not much more than slaves.
Jul 13, 2012 10:04pm
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isadore

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Jul 13, 2012 10:38 PM
Con_Alma;1225359 wrote:People make decisions that have ramifications. No one took farms from families. If they got to large for the farm it wasn't because of corporations.

When immigrants came to the US it wasn't because corporations forced them to. Businesses don't owe people anything other than the paycheck the employee agreed to work for after and they finish the job.

Blaming corporations for families outgrowing farms and immigrants working in poor conditions completely absolves people form the decisions they themselves make, That's ridiculous. Those people chose poorly.
thank you for reenforcing my point about corporations being soulless. These corporations took advantage of people who had no choice. They worked them 14 hours a day in unbelievable dangerous conditions. When they had crippled them or broken their health, the workers were thrown on the ash heap with no job or benefits. And they did this to men, women and children. We rightfully condemn Penn State for the damage they allowed to happen to children. Corporations wrecked the lives of untold children.
Jul 13, 2012 10:38pm
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Con_Alma

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Jul 13, 2012 11:55 PM
People always have a choice. Those people chose poorly. There are consequences to your choices. Blaming a corporation for not giving people a way out of their poor choices is laughable.

Corporations do not exists for the purposes of the employees.
Jul 13, 2012 11:55pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Jul 14, 2012 1:44 AM
xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1222058 wrote:Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance Team America, and then Team America goes out... and the corporations sit there in their... in their corporation buildings, and... and, and see, they're all corporation-y... and they make money.
Damn it you beat me to it.

Like nearly always Trey and Matt nail it. People hate corporations because they don't know anything about them and they are told by more people who don't understand them that they are evil. Your hospital is a corporation. Your church may be incorporated, or at least hold property in corporate form. Every business you buy anything or sell to is incorporated in some fashion. A corporation, or partnership, or LLC, or sole proprietorship is a way to separate your entity from your person for purposes of liability and taxation, among other matters. If it weren't for corporate entities we'd all be farmers bartering in the public square like it was 1650.
Jul 14, 2012 1:44am
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Jul 14, 2012 1:50 AM
Fred Flintstone;1225287 wrote:I do not hate corporations but I would rather buy local than from corporations. I would prefer to get produce from the farmers market, eat at the mom and pop restaurants, and shop at smaller independent stores.
I got news for you, that mom and pop restaurant is incorporated, so is the independent store. And if the farmer has any real sort of revenue it's a incorporated as well.
Jul 14, 2012 1:50am
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isadore

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Jul 14, 2012 8:25 AM
Con_Alma;1225413 wrote:People always have a choice. Those people chose poorly. There are consequences to your choices. Blaming a corporation for not giving people a way out of their poor choices is laughable.

Corporations do not exists for the purposes of the employees.
a Hobson's choice. Soulless corporations exploited people with no good alternatives. Millions of men, women and children were horribly exploited to their enduring detriment. Then the government intervened to provide protection for these victims of corporate greed.
Jul 14, 2012 8:25am
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Jul 14, 2012 8:28 AM
isadore;1225452 wrote:a Hobson's choice. Soulless corporations exploited people with no good alternatives. Millions of men, women and children were horribly exploited to their enduring detriment. Then the government intervened to provide protection for these victims of corporate greed.
Those people chose poorly and put themselves in the position of being reliant on others. There are ramifications to the choices we make.
Jul 14, 2012 8:28am
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Jul 14, 2012 8:48 AM
Con_Alma;1225454 wrote:Those people chose poorly and put themselves in the position of being reliant on others. There are ramifications to the choices we make.
they had no good choices available. the corporatations exploited their dilemma.
Jul 14, 2012 8:48am
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Con_Alma

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Jul 14, 2012 8:54 AM
Those choices weren't necessarily good. They put themselves in position for their farms to become too small for themselves or for them tp become dependent on corporations. They chose poorly.

Life doesn't always work out. People don't always get the good ending. Others are not responsible for making the good ending happen for you.
Jul 14, 2012 8:54am
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isadore

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Jul 14, 2012 9:06 AM
Con_Alma;1225460 wrote:Those choices weren't necessarily good. They put themselves in position for their farms to become too small for themselves or for them tp become dependent on corporations. They chose poorly.

Life doesn't always work out. People don't always get the good ending. Others are not responsible for making the good ending happen for you.
They did not put themselves in the position for their farms to be too small. Improved medical procedures caused more people to survive, so more and more children of farm families reached adulthood. The end of the frontier limited land availability. Increased mechanization decreased the need for farm labor. Millions had no choice but to leave farming. We do consider ourselves responsible for not exploiting the intolerable situation of others, unless course the exploiters are soulless corporations.
Jul 14, 2012 9:06am
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Jul 14, 2012 10:14 AM
isadore;1225461 wrote:They did not put themselves in the position for their farms to be too small. Improved medical procedures caused more people to survive, so more and more children of farm families reached adulthood. The end of the frontier limited land availability. Increased mechanization decreased the need for farm labor. Millions had no choice but to leave farming. We do consider ourselves responsible for not exploiting the intolerable situation of others, unless course the exploiters are soulless corporations.
People have complete control over their reproductive frequency. People even today need not engage for food, clothing and shelter with a corporation. becoming dependent on such entities leaves one at the mercy of others. That's not always going to be good choice.

Companies are not responsible for position your family for success. You are. If you fail it's not a company's fault.

Those people chose poorly.
Jul 14, 2012 10:14am