soulless, conscienceless and often corrupt.

isadore;1221672 wrote:soulless, conscienceless and often corrupt.

You mean like General Motors and Solyandra? I don't see you bitching about them.

justincredible;1221639 wrote:I don't disagree. You still need to secure that money somehow.

Good. I thought you were implying that only rich people get rice, which is simply not true.

sleeper;1221680 wrote:Good. I thought you were implying that only rich people get rice, which is simply not true.

I agree. Plenty of poor people get rice.

People forget (or ignore) that the largest shareholders in many corporations are typically big pension and mutual funds, which are investing the retirement savings of mom & pop.

isadore;1221672 wrote:soulless, conscienceless and often corrupt.

That would be at odds with the people working within them, particularly near the top, as all studies I've seen show a strong positive correlation between material wealth and personal ethics.

queencitybuckeye;1221711 wrote:That would be at odds with the people working within them, particularly near the top, as all studies I've seen show a strong positive correlation between material wealth and personal ethics.

Apparently you haven't read the Totally Insane Internet Crackpot study then!

Heretic;1221715 wrote:Apparently you haven't read the Totally Insane Internet Crackpot study then!

I'm just starting it. Some good info.

thePITman;1221566 wrote:If I make a product, and people are willing to and continue to buy it at 300% markup, I'm going to keep selling it at that price, if not test the waters and raise the price even higher. It's called business. If people stop buying something, the price will come down.

Remember, any time you purchase something, you're giving your "dollar vote" for that product at that price. Stop voting, and change will occur.

Beautifully put.

Raw Dawgin' it;1221573 wrote:because starting a cellular company or any other business is easy and everyone has the money to do it :rolleyes:

1. Take a dollar.
2. Invest it into something that will make you $2.
3. Repeat with each of the two dollars.

That's oversimplified, of course, but the point is that you don't START a large cellular provider. You start a small business. If the model holds up under the landscape, then you grow, and eventually, you can become a large business.

People seem to mistake being able to start a business with being able to start a large business. My home business's first year, I made maybe $6K for the year. Small business ... VERY small business. Doesn't mean it stayed that way.

queencitybuckeye;1221711 wrote:That would be at odds with the people working within them, particularly near the top, as all studies I've seen show a strong positive correlation between material wealth and personal ethics.

Hell, even the people at the bottom.

A corporation needs its employees at all levels. When those employees (at ANY level) want a pay raise, guess who pays for it?

After working at UPS the last 2 years I have grown to dislike them to a degree. The problem IMO is that they foster an environment of no critical thinking or creativeness at all. Literally all management does is spew numbers they get from corporate out at us when we do not hit those numbers they yell and scream. And when we do hit our numbers they just decide you need more work to do from now on. It just kinda sucks how unpersonable they are to work for and how much they don't reward managers who are truly good ones to work for. There's just no sense of decency and it's to the point where they can't get people to leave the union to become a manager. :laugh: When all you have to do is sign a letter to get promoted there's a problem

sleeper;1221679 wrote:You mean like General Motors and Solyandra? I don't see you bitching about them.

gosh a ruddies those criticisms would cover both of them.

OSH;1221557 wrote:The usual mark-up on a product is 50% or even 100% (i.e., something that costs $50 to make will be cost $100 to buy). But, with things now, that mark-up is WAY over 100%. That is gouging -- and stupid people buy it.

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queencitybuckeye;1221711 wrote:That would be at odds with the people working within them, particularly near the top, as all studies I've seen show a strong positive correlation between material wealth and personal ethics.

you need to read more studies and the news.

isadore;1221817 wrote:you need to read more studies and the news.

I've read several and they all say the same thing. Sorry that you're so close-minded about anything that doesn't jive with your predetermined world view.

queencitybuckeye;1221825 wrote:I've read several and they all say the same thing. Sorry that you're so close-minded about anything that doesn't jive with your predetermined world view.

Gosh a ruddies what do people thing who deal with them. What do people think of ethics of corporate America. They think it sucks.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/poll-americans-give-corporate-america-poor-marks-for-honesty-ethics-37364/
Lets take a look at what other executive think about the honesty of their fellow business people’s honesty.
They think they are getting more dishonest.
http://business-ethics.com/2010/04/28/1931-survey-executives-expect-more-financialo-statement-fraud/

Who is the person that prints out photos and sells them online for like. $50?

OSH;1221557 wrote:I have no problem with someone making a buck.

I do have a problem with raping people though. The price at which we have to pay for certain products, clothing, food, healthcare, or whatever has gotten so outrageous though. The usual mark-up on a product is 50% or even 100% (i.e., something that costs $50 to make will be cost $100 to buy). But, with things now, that mark-up is WAY over 100%. That is gouging -- and stupid people buy it.

Oh well. It has gotten me this far. I'll be fine staying away from certain corporations.

There's more cost than just manufacturing. There's shipping, warehousing, logistics, advertising, promotions, etc.

I mean, even if you are in your basement tinkering, you're still in a house you paid for that provides you shelter, warehousing, inventory control, utilities, etc. You probably have a car that you're using to take the product out to market and demonstrate it, etc.

You still are inheriting a cost, you're just absorbing it into what you're already paying and assuming it's at no cost.



As for corporations, the problem is that the US Supreme Court has said they're equal to people and have the rights of people. Yet, people can buy them, sell them, kill them, etc without repercussion. Either they're equal to people, or they're not. They're not supposed to be, and never were supposed to be, 'super humans'.

The problem with corporations is no personal responsibility. The removal of liability by the people making the decisions, financially, is the biggest issue I have with corporations. Sure, corruption can be prosecuted (Enron, Adelphia, etc), but making every decision because you might squeeze another dollar out of the machine doesn't mean it's the right thing, as people, to let be done to the world.

If polluting the world was cheaper than storing and disposing of waste, a corporation will do it. There's a reason the non-union mines in WV refuse to institute safety issues and crush any union talk, yet they're the ones with the most fatalities. Just the cost of doing business.

DeadliestWarrior34;1221877 wrote:Who is the person that prints out photos and sells them online for like. $50?

Gochiefs?

I think you are all missing the point. Why do people hate corporations?....because they are taught to hate corporations...not uncoincidentally by those who benefit keeping the "poor and uneducated" enslaved in dependency upon them. Corporations exist to make a profit for their shareholders. Pretty damn simple. Corporations that make a good profit are good investments...the kind of investment you want to have your money in. Who invests in corporations?... Individuals, pension funds, etc.
So what is to not like about a corporation? Nothing.

ernest_t_bass;1221901 wrote:Gochiefs?

Probably LJ

HitsRus;1221948 wrote:I think you are all missing the point. Why do people hate corporations?....because they are taught to hate corporations...not uncoincidentally by those who benefit keeping the "poor and uneducated" enslaved in dependency upon them. Corporations exist to make a profit for their shareholders. Pretty damn simple. Corporations that make a good profit are good investments...the kind of investment you want to have your money in. Who invests in corporations?... Individuals, pension funds, etc.
So what is to not like about a corporation? Nothing.

people do not have to be taught to hate corporations, all people have had to do was watch them in operation.

isadore;1221983 wrote:people do not have to be taught to hate corporations, all people have had to do was watch them in operation.

Even the library that you are posting from right now had to purchase the CPUs from a corporation. </SPAN></SPAN>

just another example of how the soulless entities dominate our lives.

isadore;1222036 wrote:just another example of how the soulless entities dominate our lives.

How big does a company need to be to be a big soulless entity? Is there a certain size if they're under it that they are wholesome and morally responsible?

Let me explain to you how this works: you see, the corporations finance Team America, and then Team America goes out... and the corporations sit there in their... in their corporation buildings, and... and, and see, they're all corporation-y... and they make money.