So when does the theocracy begin?

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Jul 5, 2012 11:42 PM
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/07/05/louisiana-republican-when-i-voted-for-state-funds-to-go-to-religious-schools-i-didnt-mean-muslim-ones/


“Unfortunately it will not be limited to the Founders’ religion,” Hodges said. “We need to insure that it does not open the door to fund radical Islam schools. There are a thousand Muslim schools that have sprung up recently. I do not support using public funds for teaching Islam anywhere here in Louisiana.”

Shocking that Republicans (it was Republicans in this instance though they certainly aren't the only ones in the US with this sort of thinking) want taxpayer funding of church affiliated schools (shouldn't happen)...except when it's of schools of a different religion than theirs. Disgusting.
Jul 5, 2012 11:42pm
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Jul 6, 2012 12:30 AM
I thought it was "ensure"???
Jul 6, 2012 12:30am
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Jul 6, 2012 12:55 AM
cruiser_96;1219612 wrote:I thought it was "ensure"???
Lol.

BTW, before someone brings it up. Yes, the thread title is meant to be more dramatic than this is.
Jul 6, 2012 12:55am
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Jul 6, 2012 8:10 AM
"“I actually support funding for teaching the fundamentals of America’s Founding Fathers’ religion,"

gosh she wants to fund teaching deism in the schools, wow.
Jul 6, 2012 8:10am
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Jul 6, 2012 8:54 AM
isadore;1219692 wrote:"“I actually support funding for teaching the fundamentals of America’s Founding Fathers’ religion,"

gosh she wants to fund teaching deism in the schools, wow.
This is the first post by Isadore I've ever read that didn't sound completely batshit crazy.
Jul 6, 2012 8:54am
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Jul 6, 2012 8:59 AM
It's Louisiana.
Jul 6, 2012 8:59am
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Jul 6, 2012 9:26 AM
Don't worry, if this is an issue the Muslim-in-Chief will just issue an executive order circumventing Congress. :p
Jul 6, 2012 9:26am
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Jul 6, 2012 9:53 AM
No doubt, It's Louisiana. Every time I go to Louisiana, I marvel at the lack of common sense. Outside the college towns, you mostly see good old boys that are either missing teeth, flying the rebel flag, tracking through a swamp, need a shower, wearing a shirt that doesn't cover their stomach, barefoot or all of the above.
Jul 6, 2012 9:53am
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Jul 6, 2012 10:04 AM
georgemc80;1219743 wrote:No doubt, It's Louisiana. Every time I go to Louisiana, I marvel at the lack of common sense. Outside the college towns, you mostly see good old boys that are either missing teeth, flying the rebel flag, tracking through a swamp, need a shower, wearing a shirt that doesn't cover their stomach, barefoot or all of the above.


Yeah, some intellectual liberal elites need to run their lives out of D.C.
Jul 6, 2012 10:04am
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Jul 6, 2012 12:33 PM
isadore;1219692 wrote:"“I actually support funding for teaching the fundamentals of America’s Founding Fathers’ religion,"

gosh she wants to fund teaching deism in the schools, wow.
Lol, that'd be interesting if that's what she meant (she meant Christianity) but either way it would be against the founders' wishes. We shouldn't be teaching any religion in schools (publicly funded ones). That's what churches are for.
Jul 6, 2012 12:33pm
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Jul 6, 2012 3:35 PM
I Wear Pants;1219858 wrote:Lol, that'd be interesting if that's what she meant (she meant Christianity) but either way it would be against the founders' wishes. We shouldn't be teaching any religion in schools (publicly funded ones). That's what churches are for.
I hope you mean "shouldn't be advocating for the beliefs of one religion over another". I don't see anything wrong with a school presenting facts and information like "Religion X teaches A,B, and C" and so on.

Not to change the subject, but the same holds true with scientific issues, like the origin of life. Nobody is promoting or endorsing religion if they say, "Some scientists believe the evidence points to Darwinian evolution/the Big Bang/etc., while others believe in Intelligent Design and a Creator."
Jul 6, 2012 3:35pm
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Jul 6, 2012 3:41 PM
jhay78;1220020 wrote:I hope you mean "shouldn't be advocating for the beliefs of one religion over another". I don't see anything wrong with a school presenting facts and information like "Religion X teaches A,B, and C" and so on.

Not to change the subject, but the same holds true with scientific issues, like the origin of life. Nobody is promoting or endorsing religion if they say, "Some scientists believe the evidence points to Darwinian evolution/the Big Bang/etc., while others believe in Intelligent Design and a Creator."
You can present facts about religions sure but you shouldn't be teaching them as far as how to/you should practice the beliefs.

As for the bolded, Intelligent design has no place in a science classroom. At all. Science is based upon evidence and testing of hypothesis, not the same for religion.
Jul 6, 2012 3:41pm
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Jul 6, 2012 5:59 PM
I Wear Pants;1220023 wrote:You can present facts about religions sure but you shouldn't be teaching them as far as how to/you should practice the beliefs.

As for the bolded, Intelligent design has no place in a science classroom. At all. Science is based upon evidence and testing of hypothesis, not the same for religion.
That's fine and all, but that pretty much eliminates discussion of the origins of life, then doesn't it?
Jul 6, 2012 5:59pm
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Jul 6, 2012 6:18 PM
I Wear Pants;1220023 wrote:You can present facts about religions sure but you shouldn't be teaching them as far as how to/you should practice the beliefs.

As for the bolded, Intelligent design has no place in a science classroom. At all. Science is based upon evidence and testing of hypothesis, not the same for religion.
Like just said you just eliminated abiogenesis from the classroom.

I also believe that the worlds major religions should be taught in high school in a social studies class. Just like it is in all public collages (and it is a requirement there to graduate).
Jul 6, 2012 6:18pm
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Jul 6, 2012 6:44 PM
jmog;1220084 wrote:Like just said you just eliminated abiogenesis from the classroom.

I also believe that the worlds major religions should be taught in high school in a social studies class. Just like it is in all public collages (and it is a requirement there to graduate).
it is REQUIRED you take a course in the worlld's major religions in all public colleges and universities in Ohio? Is is required or is it one of the choices available to fulfil a requirement.
Jul 6, 2012 6:44pm
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Jul 6, 2012 7:50 PM
georgemc80;1219743 wrote:No doubt, It's Louisiana. Every time I go to Louisiana, I marvel at the lack of common sense. Outside the college towns, you mostly see good old boys that are either missing teeth, flying the rebel flag, tracking through a swamp, need a shower, wearing a shirt that doesn't cover their stomach, barefoot or all of the above.

Sounds like a fertile recruiting ground for the Tea Party
Jul 6, 2012 7:50pm
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Jul 7, 2012 6:58 AM
jmog;1220084 wrote:Like just said you just eliminated abiogenesis from the classroom.

I also believe that the worlds major religions should be taught in high school in a social studies class. Just like it is in all public collages (and it is a requirement there to graduate).
No. There is evidence that organic life can naturally arise from inorganic matter.
Jul 7, 2012 6:58am
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Jul 7, 2012 4:17 PM
BoatShoes;1220273 wrote:No. There is evidence that organic life can naturally arise from inorganic matter.
Please post a link, I would love to see it as this has been elluding scientists for decades.
Jul 7, 2012 4:17pm
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Jul 7, 2012 4:19 PM
isadore;1220089 wrote:it is REQUIRED you take a course in the worlld's major religions in all public colleges and universities in Ohio? Is is required or is it one of the choices available to fulfil a requirement.
Required, depending on the university it is either called Western Culture, Humanities in the Western Tradition, or some other names, but yes. The course covers art history, literary history, and the major beliefs of the 3 major religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam).

It even goes over many passages in each of the 3 religions religious texts (Bible, Torah, and Quran respectively).
Jul 7, 2012 4:19pm
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Jul 7, 2012 5:05 PM
jmog;1220388 wrote:Please post a link, I would love to see it as this has been elluding scientists for decades.
No it has not eluded scientists since 1952.
Jul 7, 2012 5:05pm
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Jul 8, 2012 12:53 PM
BoatShoes;1220412 wrote:No it has not eluded scientists since 1952.
Please tell me you aren't talking about the lightning experiments because that would be laughable.
Jul 8, 2012 12:53pm
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Jul 8, 2012 6:43 PM
Sometimes I think it's too bad the south wasn't just allowed to secede.
Jul 8, 2012 6:43pm
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Jul 8, 2012 11:15 PM
jmog;1220390 wrote:Required, depending on the university it is either called Western Culture, Humanities in the Western Tradition, or some other names, but yes. The course covers art history, literary history, and the major beliefs of the 3 major religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam).

It even goes over many passages in each of the 3 religions religious texts (Bible, Torah, and Quran respectively).
gosh you seem to have left out alot of religions in your world religions, gosh there alot more Buddhists and Hinduism than there are practitioners of Judaism, there are Shintoist, Taoists, Sikhs, Animists out there
Jul 8, 2012 11:15pm
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Jul 9, 2012 12:04 AM
isadore;1221284 wrote:gosh you seem to have left out alot of religions in your world religions, gosh there alot more Buddhists and Hinduism than there are practitioners of Judaism, there are Shintoist, Taoists, Sikhs, Animists out there
You forgot Harry Potter, Scientology, and Star Wars too. All have as much credibility and evidence as any of the above.
Jul 9, 2012 12:04am
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Jul 9, 2012 8:23 AM
isadore;1221284 wrote:gosh you seem to have left out alot of religions in your world religions, gosh there alot more Buddhists and Hinduism than there are practitioners of Judaism, there are Shintoist, Taoists, Sikhs, Animists out there
You think I wrote the requirements for these classes? I just had to take them and I am relaying what was covered in them.
Jul 9, 2012 8:23am