Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 24, 2012 10:40pm
What were the Batimore Colts in the 2nd round of the playoffs?Footwedge;1210682 wrote:The Cavs were favored 6.25 to 1 in that series according to Bodog sports book. 6 to 1 is about as wide as the odds will ever get.
"Cleveland is -625 to win the series, and should do it in 6."
http://www.capperspicks.com/blog/nba/2009-magic-cavaliers-eastern-finals-playoff-picks/
Not even the Baltimore Colts were a 6 to 1 favorite over the Namath Jets. (18 point favorites). I suppose the Jets upset was all about match ups too, eh?
Odds go down when you go farther. I guarantee you can find a TON more favorites that have lost, if you go by sports betting odds.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 24, 2012 10:43pm
What was the line on the osu/Florida game?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 24, 2012 10:47pm
OSU -7wes_mantooth;1210690 wrote:What was the line on the osu/Florida game?
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jun 24, 2012 10:54pm
Did you read the link? The 6.25 to 1 was the Bodog line just before the Series started. FOR THAT SERIES ONLY. Not to win a title, just that series. If you wanted to bet the Cavs before the series started, then you had to lay $625 to win $100.Laley23;1210685 wrote:What were the Batimore Colts in the 2nd round of the playoffs?
Odds go down when you go farther. I guarantee you can find a TON more favorites that have lost, if you go by sports betting odds.
Back in the mid 70's, the Washington Wizzards were 3 to 1 favorite to take it all against the GS Warriors. The Warriors won and if you google it, you will find that it is considered one of the biggest upsets ever. Yet....the Cavs were more than twice the favorite as the Warriors.
But there's more. I guess this book had the Cavs at a full 8.5 to 1 favorites before the Series started.
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/05/nba-playoffs-eastern-western-conference-finals-series-odds-predictions-lakers-nuggets-magic-cavaliers/
I guess Vegas didn't know about the "matches ups" LMAO.
Orlando over Cavs....one of the biggest upsets in sports ever.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Jun 24, 2012 11:13pm
And from Betonline...all the reasons the Cavs were so heavily favored...
http://www.betonline.com/sports-betting/basketball/cavaliers-magic-odds1
http://www.betonline.com/sports-betting/basketball/cavaliers-magic-odds1
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 25, 2012 5:28am
Back in the 70s there was no Washington Wizards. They were they Washington Bullets.Footwedge;1210703 wrote:...
Back in the mid 70's, the Washington Wizzards were 3 to 1 favorite to take it all against the GS Warriors...
believer
Posts: 8,153
Jun 25, 2012 5:44am
Wire-to-wire regular season and a dominating sweep of the Bash Bros. Nuff saidCurly J;1207733 wrote:1990 Reds. No way the should have beat the Bash Brothers A's.
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Bob Dole
Posts: 62
Jun 25, 2012 8:58am
Butler losing to Duke a few years ago in the title game. Butler was the better team.
swamisez
Posts: 1,990
Jun 25, 2012 10:05am
lolzBob Dole;1210893 wrote:Butler losing to Duke a few years ago in the title game. Butler was the better team.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jun 25, 2012 1:06pm
Federer over Sampras, Wimbledon 2001, 4th Round. Sampras was about a 9-1 favorite. That isnt even close to the biggest upset in tennis. So, again. Cavs losing is not close to the biggest upset in sports history.Footwedge;1210703 wrote:Did you read the link? The 6.25 to 1 was the Bodog line just before the Series started. FOR THAT SERIES ONLY. Not to win a title, just that series. If you wanted to bet the Cavs before the series started, then you had to lay $625 to win $100.
Back in the mid 70's, the Washington Wizzards were 3 to 1 favorite to take it all against the GS Warriors. The Warriors won and if you google it, you will find that it is considered one of the biggest upsets ever. Yet....the Cavs were more than twice the favorite as the Warriors.
But there's more. I guess this book had the Cavs at a full 8.5 to 1 favorites before the Series started.
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2009/05/nba-playoffs-eastern-western-conference-finals-series-odds-predictions-lakers-nuggets-magic-cavaliers/
I guess Vegas didn't know about the "matches ups" LMAO.
Orlando over Cavs....one of the biggest upsets in sports ever.
swamisez
Posts: 1,990
Jun 25, 2012 1:51pm
Bills Giants Superbowl in Tampa back in 91.
Bills were heavily favored and should have finished off the Giants but they couldn't get the giants offense off the field. And of course Norwood.
Bills were heavily favored and should have finished off the Giants but they couldn't get the giants offense off the field. And of course Norwood.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Jun 25, 2012 1:52pm
Laley23;1211138 wrote:Federer over Sampras, Wimbledon 2001, 4th Round. Sampras was about a 9-1 favorite. That isnt even close to the biggest upset in tennis. So, again. Cavs losing is not close to the biggest upset in sports history.
And look at how many long shots win in horse racing.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Jun 26, 2012 1:07am
wes_mantooth;1207730 wrote:I am in the minority that believe that OKC is a better overall team than Miami, so I was I starting thinking about series or even just single games where the better team didn't win. My mind always goes back to the 95' Indians...which I believe were without a doubt the better team, but choked big time. Name some other "upsets"...it can be college, pro or even something like boxing(Douglas def Tyson comes to mind).
I think there have been a ton of super bowl upsets like Giants over the Patriots the first time...and when the Seahawks lost in superbowl 40.
I disagree because of these guys mostly.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jun 26, 2012 9:28am
Maddux: 19-2, 1.63 ERA
Glavine: 16-7, 3.08 ERA
Smoltz: 12-7, 3.18 ERA
Wohlers: 7-3, 25 Saves, 2.09 ERA
Clontz: 8-1, 4 saves, 3.65 ERA
That's a tough pitching staff to go against.
Glavine: 16-7, 3.08 ERA
Smoltz: 12-7, 3.18 ERA
Wohlers: 7-3, 25 Saves, 2.09 ERA
Clontz: 8-1, 4 saves, 3.65 ERA
That's a tough pitching staff to go against.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jun 26, 2012 10:31am
I am a huge Indians fan, but we were not the better team in 1995. As stated above the Braves had one of, if not the best pitching staffs of all time on that team.
However, in 1997 no way in God's Green Earth should the Marlins have beat the Indians.
However, in 1997 no way in God's Green Earth should the Marlins have beat the Indians.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 26, 2012 10:45am
I get the good pitching gets good hitting thing....but that 95 Indians offense had fucking Manny batting like 7th...lol. And we had Albert Belle with one of the best seasons ever....50 hr and 50 doubles. Of course he didn't win the MVP...lol
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jun 26, 2012 11:25am
No doubt the team was an offensive juggernaut, 6 of 9 (would have been 7 but Sandy Alomar got hurt and Pena was playing) guys batting over .300 for the season.wes_mantooth;1211991 wrote:I get the good pitching gets good hitting thing....but that 95 Indians offense had ****ing Manny batting like 7th...lol. And we had Albert Belle with one of the best seasons ever....50 hr and 50 doubles. Of course he didn't win the MVP...lol
The difference was that the Braves offense was dang good too (not that far below ours) with Chipper, McGriff, Javy Lopez, Klesko, and David Justice. Throw in their ungodly pitching staff and their overall team was slightly better.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Jun 26, 2012 4:09pm
wes_mantooth;1211991 wrote:I get the good pitching gets good hitting thing....but that 95 Indians offense had fucking Manny batting like 7th...lol. And we had Albert Belle with one of the best seasons ever....50 hr and 50 doubles. Of course he didn't win the MVP...lol
It's a complete fucking joke Mo Vaugbn won MVP over Belle. Just an example of why journalists should not be voting.
That MVP voting has to be the biggest robbery in any sport.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 26, 2012 4:14pm
Bob Costas said it best when he stated the Cleveland Indians were the best team for 162 games that year and the Atlanta Braves were the best team for 6.jmog;1212044 wrote:No doubt the team was an offensive juggernaut, 6 of 9 (would have been 7 but Sandy Alomar got hurt and Pena was playing) guys batting over .300 for the season.
The difference was that the Braves offense was dang good too (not that far below ours) with Chipper, McGriff, Javy Lopez, Klesko, and David Justice. Throw in their ungodly pitching staff and their overall team was slightly better.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jun 26, 2012 4:44pm
The reason, in baseball, that pitching wins in the playoffs and hitting wins in the season is simple.Con_Alma;1212286 wrote:Bob Costas said it best when he stated the Cleveland Indians were the best team for 162 games that year and the Atlanta Braves were the best team for 6.
In the season starting pitchers are on a 5 man rotation, diluting the quality pitching.
In the playoffs they are almost always on a 3 man rotation and then your 2 other starters are now the best middle relief man.
So if a team has 3 stud starting pitchers, it trumps everything batting wise in baseball. I mean I'm not saying that if a team had 3 stud pitchers and a crap team they'd win every world series. However, if your offense and defense are good AND you have 3 stud pitchers you SHOULD win the series.
The problem was that the Indians had mediocre pitching at best, they had really good to great defense and amazing hitting that year.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jun 26, 2012 5:12pm
hasbeen;1211936 wrote:Maddux: 19-2, 1.63 ERA
Glavine: 16-7, 3.08 ERA
Smoltz: 12-7, 3.18 ERA
Wohlers: 7-3, 25 Saves, 2.09 ERA
Clontz: 8-1, 4 saves, 3.65 ERA
That's a tough pitching staff to go against.
Jesus....Maddux lol
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jun 26, 2012 5:58pm
Ironman92;1212328 wrote:Jesus....Maddux lol
Ironman92
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Jun 26, 2012 6:25pm
karen lotz;1212367 wrote:
My all-time favorite pitcher.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jun 26, 2012 6:36pm
Ironman92;1212384 wrote:My all-time favorite pitcher.
Mine too, I wore 31 for baseball because of him.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Jun 26, 2012 6:51pm
yeah, it is crazy that anyone other than Belle was even considered. Shows what an asshole he was to the media.like_that;1212282 wrote:It's a complete fucking joke Mo Vaugbn won MVP over Belle. Just an example of why journalists should not be voting.
That MVP voting has to be the biggest robbery in any sport.