sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Jun 22, 2012 1:18pm
I agree that you have to look at the whole body of work. If you have two teams that you trying to decide between for a playoff spot...one is a one-loss B1G conference champ, and the other is a one-loss Big 12 runner-up...I am OK with giving the edge to the conference champ.
I am just against requiring that all members of the playoffs be conference champions because of all the reasons and hypotheticals I listed. Put the best four teams in the playoffs...not the best four conference champions.
I am just against requiring that all members of the playoffs be conference champions because of all the reasons and hypotheticals I listed. Put the best four teams in the playoffs...not the best four conference champions.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jun 22, 2012 1:18pm
Agree. It should be considered, but not required.sherm03;1209089 wrote:I agree that you have to look at the whole body of work. If you have two teams that you trying to decide between for a playoff spot...one is a one-loss B1G conference champ, and the other is a one-loss Big 12 runner-up...I am OK with giving the edge to the conference champ.
I am just against requiring that all members of the playoffs be conference champions because of all the reasons and hypotheticals I listed. Put the best four teams in the playoffs...not the best four conference champions.
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Sonofanump
Jun 22, 2012 1:25pm
Do you really think that putting two SEC schools in a four team playoff every year is going to fly with the PAC, B1G and B12? If they get bumped by a lesser conference like the ACC or Big Least champion because of an upset in the CC game, then I could see them accepting that.
Four 16 team super conferences would end all of this speculation.
Four 16 team super conferences would end all of this speculation.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 22, 2012 1:36pm
Or just make it 8 teams, 5 automatic qualifiers(minus big East), 3 at larges(preference given to undefeated mid majors and undefeated Notre Dame). Problem solved. Win your conference and you're in. Go undefeated and 99 times out of 100 you are in.Sonofanump;1209091 wrote:Do you really think that putting two SEC schools in a four team playoff every year is going to fly with the PAC, B1G and B12? If they get bumped by a lesser conference like the ACC or Big Least champion because of an upset in the CC game, then I could see them accepting that.
Four 16 team super conferences would end all of this speculation.
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slcoach
Posts: 421
Jun 22, 2012 1:38pm
College power runs in cycles guys. This isn't about the SEC getting two teams in. It should be about getting the best teams in to crown a champion.
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slcoach
Posts: 421
Jun 22, 2012 1:40pm
Sonofanump;1209091 wrote:Do you really think that putting two SEC schools in a four team playoff every year is going to fly with the PAC, B1G and B12? If they get bumped by a lesser conference like the ACC or Big Least champion because of an upset in the CC game, then I could see them accepting that.
Four 16 team super conferences would end all of this speculation.
What a load of shit....You are telling me that if you were Wisconsin this season with 2 losses you would have been more upset getting bumped out by Clemson than Alabama? If you honestly believe that then there is no use in talking to you.
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slcoach
Posts: 421
Jun 22, 2012 1:41pm
Prove it....as you told me yesterday, you can't so I'm right.sleeper;1209055 wrote:Luckily, the SEC is still 3rd in Titles in college football history. Also, pretty easy to win every year when your two teams are fraudulently pitted against each other in the title game. Alabama and LSU would both lose by 2 TDs to OKST last year; but instead we got fraud.
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Sonofanump
Jun 22, 2012 1:51pm
Then why do you respond if you are so much better than I am.slcoach;1209112 wrote:What a load of shit....You are telling me that if you were Wisconsin this season with 2 losses you would have been more upset getting bumped out by Clemson than Alabama? If you honestly believe that then there is no use in talking to you.
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slcoach
Posts: 421
Jun 22, 2012 2:05pm
If people didn't respond to people that knew less than them on message boards, the boards won't exist.Sonofanump;1209129 wrote:Then why do you respond if you are so much better than I am.
I love how that is your answer rather than actually answering the question.
I'll ask again....If your team was Big 10 Champs (Wisconsin 10-2) and you were not included in a playoff over Alabama (11-1 and a loss vs #1) or Clemson (9-3 with blowout losses against 8-4 Georgia Tech, 7-5 NC State, and 10-2 South Carolina) would you be more upset with Bama or Clemson taking your spot?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 22, 2012 2:06pm
OK State is just simply the better team. Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably a homo, not saying you are, but probably.slcoach;1209115 wrote:Prove it....as you told me yesterday, you can't so I'm right.
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slcoach
Posts: 421
Jun 22, 2012 2:09pm
sleeper;1209154 wrote:OK State is just simply the better team. Anyone who thinks otherwise is probably a homo, not saying you are, but probably.
Haha....I guess that settles that.
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Sonofanump
Jun 22, 2012 2:31pm
Odd that a 10-3 ACC team would be considered before a 11-2 B1G team. I don't see the logic with that.
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slcoach
Posts: 421
Jun 22, 2012 2:52pm
And again you dodge the question.....So if Virginia Tech (also 11-2) were the team instead of Clemson, you would have a problem with it?Sonofanump;1209214 wrote:Odd that a 10-3 ACC team would be considered before a 11-2 B1G team. I don't see the logic with that.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jun 22, 2012 3:03pm
Great post!Sykotyk;1208936 wrote:The process to determine the 'champion' is a season-long process. It doesn't just start the second week of December. Alabama had their chance last year when they played LSU in the regular season game in an attempt to win their division. They failed. LSU won it. They moved on. Alabama, no matter how good, lost. The season is a playoff. IN EVERY LEAGUE where not all teams qualify for the playoffs.
Alabama knew the setup when they started play. To get to the SEC title game, they had to win their division. To win it last year, they had to be better than five other teams who they played head-to-head. No polls, ratings, etc. They came in second. We know that as an irrefutable fact. They were, at best, second to LSU. The problem is how certain people were that Alabama was better than OSU, Oregon, etc. I mean, if you anoint LSU as the best, and Alabama's only loss was to 'The Best', then obviously their loss is better than any other loss by a one-loss team. It smacks in the face of credibility. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. We will never know of OSU could've beaten LSU. Or even Alabama. They never got a chance to play. Alabama did get a chance to play. One chance. They lost.
The season is a playoff. Every game factors into you advancing or not to the 'next round'. Alabama lost in the first round, the 12-game regular season. LSU made it to the second round (conference title game) and third round (title game). They should've been able to play another team making that same sort of advancement. Instead, Alabama got to take a round off and play them again.
Usually getting time off while other teams are playing is reserved to the best team in the form of a bye. Not a losing team getting a rematch with the team that beat them.
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Sonofanump
Jun 22, 2012 3:14pm
If for some reason they used last year as a basis even though not all conferences would have had a conference championship game and only conference champions would be allowed, here would be the order:
1 LSU 13-0
3 Oklahoma State 11-1
5 Oregon 11-2
10 Wisconsin 11-2
15 Clemson 10-3
18 TCU 10-2
19 Houston 12-1
23 West Virginia 9-3
Not sure if only four are going in, how Clemson would skip Wisconsin. Not sure why Va Tech would skip either school.
1 LSU 13-0
3 Oklahoma State 11-1
5 Oregon 11-2
10 Wisconsin 11-2
15 Clemson 10-3
18 TCU 10-2
19 Houston 12-1
23 West Virginia 9-3
Not sure if only four are going in, how Clemson would skip Wisconsin. Not sure why Va Tech would skip either school.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 22, 2012 3:31pm
Those 4 teams are well deserving as well. I would watch that playoff and 100's of people who don't even like football would watch just because its a real playoff unlike that sham of a title game we had last year.Sonofanump;1209258 wrote:If for some reason they used last year as a basis even though not all conferences would have had a conference championship game and only conference champions would be allowed, here would be the order:
1 LSU 13-0
3 Oklahoma State 11-1
5 Oregon 11-2
10 Wisconsin 11-2
15 Clemson 10-3
18 TCU 10-2
19 Houston 12-1
23 West Virginia 9-3
Not sure if only four are going in, how Clemson would skip Wisconsin. Not sure why Va Tech would skip either school.
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slcoach
Posts: 421
Jun 22, 2012 3:33pm
Once again that is not the question.....Sonofanump;1209258 wrote:If for some reason they used last year as a basis even though not all conferences would have had a conference championship game and only conference champions would be allowed, here would be the order:
1 LSU 13-0
3 Oklahoma State 11-1
5 Oregon 11-2
10 Wisconsin 11-2
15 Clemson 10-3
18 TCU 10-2
19 Houston 12-1
23 West Virginia 9-3
Not sure if only four are going in, how Clemson would skip Wisconsin. Not sure why Va Tech would skip either school.
I have mentioned several situations that may arise and asked for your response. You still have not given one. Multiple times on this thread you have taken shit and twisted it around. I'll repeat the question one more time this time not using any year as a reference as that is clearly over your head....
Let's go like this.....(Again this is hypothetical and you are a fan of Ohio St)
USC is 13-0
Bama is 13-0
Oklahoma is 13-0
Ohio State is 11-2 ranked #14 and Big 10 Champs
Georgia Tech is 11-2 ranked #13 and ACC Champs
Cincinnati is 8-4 and Big East Champs
There are no unbeaten mid majors and ND is 9-3
Florida is 12-1, ranked #4 there only loss is to Bama in the SEC Title game.
Georgia Tech is taken ahead of Ohio State because they are ranked higher. Buckeye fans would be livid if this happened because they feel as though they are better than Tech. But if they take the 4 highest ranked, Ohio State or Tech wouldn't have much room to complain as they have lost 2 games compared to Florida's 1.
So, what I am asking (for the 3rd time), if this situation, or something similar, were to play out you would have less of a problem with the playoffs taking Georgia Tech over Ohio State than you would if they took Florida over OSU?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Jun 22, 2012 3:35pm
Sonofanump;1209258 wrote:If for some reason they used last year as a basis even though not all conferences would have had a conference championship game and only conference champions would be allowed, here would be the order:
1 LSU 13-0
3 Oklahoma State 11-1
5 Oregon 11-2
10 Wisconsin 11-2
15 Clemson 10-3
18 TCU 10-2
19 Houston 12-1
23 West Virginia 9-3
Not sure if only four are going in, how Clemson would skip Wisconsin. Not sure why Va Tech would skip either school.
Oregon would have been eliminated by LSU opening week. Why should they get a potential rematch but Bama can't? Because they played in a weaker conference?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jun 22, 2012 3:38pm
This is a good point. If you eliminate a team for losing the conference championship, you have to eliminate any team that lost an OOC game to one of the playoff qualifiers.karen lotz;1209275 wrote:Oregon would have been eliminated by LSU opening week. Why should they get a potential rematch but Bama can't? Because they played in a weaker conference?
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 22, 2012 3:45pm
That can certainly play into it. After making it conference champions only, I wouldn't mind other qualifiers to help sort out the mess.WebFire;1209284 wrote:This is a good point. If you eliminate a team for losing the conference championship, you have to eliminate any team that lost an OOC game to one of the playoff qualifiers.
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slcoach
Posts: 421
Jun 22, 2012 3:55pm
sleeper;1209293 wrote:That can certainly play into it. After making it conference champions only, I wouldn't mind other qualifiers to help sort out the mess.
If you do that, we will never have any decent OOC games. They are getting fewer and fewer now. Teams would never play an OOC team that could win another league out of fear of being knocked out.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Jun 22, 2012 3:56pm
Very valid point. So the playoffs would have been:karen lotz;1209275 wrote:Oregon would have been eliminated by LSU opening week. Why should they get a potential rematch but Bama can't? Because they played in a weaker conference?
1 LSU 13-0
3 Oklahoma State 11-1
10 Wisconsin 11-2
15 Clemson 10-3
That sounds absolutely horrible. A 3-loss team gets in before 3 different 1-loss teams? Come on now...that's just terrible.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 22, 2012 4:02pm
You still would. Big OOC games are big money, plus if you win it only can help you get a better seeding for the final poll determinations.slcoach;1209305 wrote:If you do that, we will never have any decent OOC games. They are getting fewer and fewer now. Teams would never play an OOC team that could win another league out of fear of being knocked out.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Jun 22, 2012 4:03pm
Also give me an 8 team playoff and I don't care if there are any big time OOC games. You'll get 7 big time games that actually matter at the end of the year.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Jun 22, 2012 4:03pm
Is the system top 4 ranked teams get in with preference to conference champions if teams are tied?