Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
May 31, 2012 3:54pm
1st commandment - yet i haven't been punished for breaking it. If he existed he would uphold his commandments right? If he really existed he'd prove all doubters wrong, right? I mean, if you're an all knowing being, why would you want doubt in peoples minds? It doesn't make sense.queencitybuckeye;1186077 wrote:The converse is an equally interesting question. Why would one believe God doesn't exist, as there is no more evidence to support this position as that he does?
Taking religion as fact is insane to me.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 31, 2012 3:56pm
This.Raw Dawgin' it;1186137 wrote:1st commandment - yet i haven't been punished for breaking it. If he existed he would uphold his commandments right? If he really existed he'd prove all doubters wrong, right? I mean, if you're an all knowing being, why would you want doubt in peoples minds? It doesn't make sense.
Taking religion as fact is insane to me.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 31, 2012 3:58pm
Why would you make that assumption?Raw Dawgin' it;1186137 wrote:If he really existed he'd prove all doubters wrong, right?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 31, 2012 4:12pm
Calling me a liar is no less 'arrogant'.sleeper;1186090 wrote:What an arrogant request. I have faith that you are wrong. Faith trumps fact; that's what believers have told me.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 31, 2012 4:13pm
I never called you a liar, I said your mind is broken. They are closely related, but not the same.jmog;1186164 wrote:Calling me a liar is no less 'arrogant'.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 31, 2012 4:14pm
No offense, but there are many logical fails in this post.Raw Dawgin' it;1186137 wrote:1st commandment - yet i haven't been punished for breaking it. If he existed he would uphold his commandments right? If he really existed he'd prove all doubters wrong, right? I mean, if you're an all knowing being, why would you want doubt in peoples minds? It doesn't make sense.
Taking religion as fact is insane to me.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 31, 2012 4:14pm
Replying to my post by saying "And I am Bill Gates" is a passive agressive substitute for calling someone a liar. So yes, you did.sleeper;1186165 wrote:I never called you a liar, I said your mind is broken. They are closely related, but not the same.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 31, 2012 4:16pm
I included the :rolleyes: smiley. Can I get an Amen?jmog;1186167 wrote:Replying to my post by saying "And I am Bill Gates" is a passive agressive substitute for calling someone a liar. So yes, you did.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
May 31, 2012 4:21pm
jmog is quickly becoming the worst religious dude on this forum. The point is the child is being taught hate, and his religious parents/church taught him this. It's awful. End of story.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 31, 2012 4:24pm
skyhook is worse.DeyDurkie5;1186177 wrote:jmog is quickly becoming the worst religious dude on this forum. The point is the child is being taught hate, and his religious parents/church taught him this. It's awful. End of story.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
May 31, 2012 4:27pm
I dunno. jmog thinks cause he writes scholarly articles, his view of religion is right. It's hilarious.sleeper;1186179 wrote:skyhook is worse.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
May 31, 2012 4:45pm
It's fun watching you people getting all rattled over someone having the nerve to believe in the Man In the Sky. :thumbup:
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 31, 2012 4:47pm
and trotting out a weak "argument" that such a belief is any more of a stretch than believing in the "great coincidence".fish82;1186199 wrote:It's fun watching you people getting all rattled over someone having the nerve to believe in the Man In the Sky. :thumbup:
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
May 31, 2012 4:48pm
If you are referring to me, then no it's not that at all. My whole issue is the fact that people say this is terrible, blame the churches/religion, and people who believe in it come to the defense. Believe what you want, but don't put the belief of hate in children at such a young age. It's ruining society and has been for years.fish82;1186199 wrote:It's fun watching you people getting all rattled over someone having the nerve to believe in the Man In the Sky. :thumbup:
I do find it funny though, that the people who believe in the "hewhomustnotbenamed" can't just admit this has to do with religion.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
May 31, 2012 4:55pm
Because it doesn't. It has to do with one particular church...which isn't even close to being the same thing.DeyDurkie5;1186202 wrote:If you are referring to me, then no it's not that at all. My whole issue is the fact that people say this is terrible, blame the churches/religion, and people who believe in it come to the defense. Believe what you want, but don't put the belief of hate in children at such a young age. It's ruining society and has been for years.
I do find it funny though, that the people who believe in the "hewhomustnotbenamed" can't just admit this has to do with religion.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
May 31, 2012 5:07pm
That day is coming. Romans 14:11 "'As surely as I live,' says the LORD, every knee will bend to me, and every tongue will confess and give praise to God.'" God has already given you several examples of his existence, you have obviously chosen to ignore them or try and give your own explanation for things.Raw Dawgin' it;1186137 wrote:1st commandment - yet i haven't been punished for breaking it. If he existed he would uphold his commandments right? If he really existed he'd prove all doubters wrong, right? I mean, if you're an all knowing being, why would you want doubt in peoples minds? It doesn't make sense.
Taking religion as fact is insane to me.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
May 31, 2012 5:09pm
This happens across a lot of churches. You are naive if you think otherwise. Hell, a pastor just talked about killing every homo in the world. Very god like!fish82;1186205 wrote:Because it doesn't. It has to do with one particular church...which isn't even close to being the same thing.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
May 31, 2012 5:22pm
There are over 450,000 Churches in the USA, you have now named 3 Churches where stupid stuff went on and you consider that a lot?DeyDurkie5;1186218 wrote:This happens across a lot of churches. You are naive if you think otherwise. Hell, a pastor just talked about killing every homo in the world. Very god like!
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 31, 2012 5:23pm
Choosing to believe that these outliers are the norm is easier than a real debate, but it just ain't so.DeyDurkie5;1186218 wrote:This happens across a lot of churches. You are naive if you think otherwise. Hell, a pastor just talked about killing every homo in the world. Very god like!
Do you believe that the Westboro Baptist Church, for example, is representative of the typical Christian church? Or is even a church at all?
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
May 31, 2012 5:26pm
I believe their views on homosexuality are, for the most part, in the same viewpoint with almost every church out there.queencitybuckeye;1186227 wrote:Choosing to believe that these outliers are the norm is easier than a real debate, but it just ain't so.
Do you believe that the Westboro Baptist Church, for example, is representative of the typical Christian church? Or is even a church at all?
I'm not believing the outliers are the norm, but I am saying religion has given this country it's views on homosexuality.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
May 31, 2012 5:27pm
I didn't say it was a lot dumbass. I said this goes on or the viewpoint goes on in a majority of the churches.Skyhook79;1186226 wrote:There are over 450,000 Churches in the USA, you have now named 3 Churches where stupid stuff went on and you consider that a lot?
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
May 31, 2012 5:33pm
You actually believe that "God hates ****" is the position of the typical church? Sorry, not buying. I believe that the position of the average church is "hate the sin, love the sinner", even if some of the people in the church struggle to live up to that concept.DeyDurkie5;1186232 wrote:I believe their views on homosexuality are, for the most part, in the same viewpoint with almost every church out there.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 31, 2012 5:33pm
All 450,000 peddle an unproven belief system to influence and extract financial means from its customers while perpetuating said myth unto its future customers(children of believer parents). It's a great business model; I must admit.Skyhook79;1186226 wrote:There are over 450,000 Churches in the USA, you have now named 3 Churches where stupid stuff went on and you consider that a lot?
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
May 31, 2012 6:51pm
DeyDurkie5;1186218 wrote:This happens across a lot of churches. You are naive if you think otherwise. Hell, a pastor just talked about killing every homo in the world. Very god like!
DeyDurkie5;1186233 wrote:I didn't say it was a lot dumbass. I said this goes on or the viewpoint goes on in a majority of the churches.[/QUOTE]
herp derp,
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
May 31, 2012 7:06pm
Did you actually read my posts or just assume? I said the church was a bunch of idiots. Nice fail.DeyDurkie5;1186177 wrote:jmog is quickly becoming the worst religious dude on this forum. The point is the child is being taught hate, and his religious parents/church taught him this. It's awful. End of story.