Belly35
Posts: 9,716
May 1, 2012 9:19pm
When the investigation ends the link to the Unions will be uncovered .......
http://www.foxnews.com/us/slideshow/2012/05/01/may-day-protests-turn-violent-in-seattle/#slide=6
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/may-day-protest-lead-to-confrontation.html
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/05/01/may-day-rally-part-labor-union-s-strategic-action.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/slideshow/2012/05/01/may-day-protests-turn-violent-in-seattle/#slide=6
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/may-day-protest-lead-to-confrontation.html
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/05/01/may-day-rally-part-labor-union-s-strategic-action.html
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
May 1, 2012 9:24pm
Banks bring down the entire economy...executives get bonuses.
Protesters break a few bank windows...world is ending.
Protesters break a few bank windows...world is ending.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
May 1, 2012 9:33pm
You do know that I enjoy read your stuff and at times think WOW what I could do with the knowledge you have but then I sayto myseld ... I like money and I never wanted to grow up to be second best, nor do I want to live on entitlements .. then it hit me how stupid do you have to be to be over educated :laugh:I Wear Pants;1159145 wrote:Banks bring down the entire economy...executives get bonuses.
Protesters break a few bank windows...world is ending.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
May 1, 2012 9:35pm
Don't hate on unions. Were the reason the rest of you have benefits, 40 hour work weeks(I know some ppl obviously work longer), weekends and a little thing called the middle class
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
May 1, 2012 9:36pm
Have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?Belly35;1159152 wrote:You do know that I enjoy read your stuff and at times think WOW what I could do with the knowledge you have but then I sayto myseld ... I like money and I never wanted to grow up to be second best, nor do I want to live on entitlements .. then it hit me how stupid do you have to be to be over educated :laugh:
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fan_from_texas
Posts: 2,693
May 1, 2012 9:38pm
Really? I'm always curious when people make this claim. Is the assumption that without unions, all jobs would be miserable forever? That seems unlikely to me.Classyposter58;1159156 wrote:Don't hate on unions. Were the reason the rest of you have benefits, 40 hour work weeks(I know some ppl obviously work longer), weekends and a little thing called the middle class
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
May 1, 2012 9:43pm
Obviously not. That's a terribly extreme statement and you're setting up a strawman.fan_from_texas;1159162 wrote:Really? I'm always curious when people make this claim. Is the assumption that without unions, all jobs would be miserable forever? That seems unlikely to me.
Should we stop honoring Jackie Robinson because if he didn't do it, it still would have happened anyways?
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
May 1, 2012 9:45pm
Well they were the people who broke through to enforce this from factories and then other employers began to do similar things because people would rather work for the steel mill where they get more raises, benefits, pensions, than Employer B. Eventually employer B started doing the same to get good employees. Idk though it's not like we're lazy as f***. The ones with the cakejobs are the ones with 25-30 years of seniority. We just have job security but hey we pay for that rightfan_from_texas;1159162 wrote:Really? I'm always curious when people make this claim. Is the assumption that without unions, all jobs would be miserable forever? That seems unlikely to me.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
May 1, 2012 9:46pm
long cat is long
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
May 1, 2012 9:46pm
Well no but who knows how long some of the unfair practices would have continued. It's like when people claim we don't need/didn't need environmental regulations because companies are for the most part much better about pollution and such these days. Well who knows how long we would have went before companies stopped polluting by themselves without being forced to. We'll never know but I wager it would have been a while.fan_from_texas;1159162 wrote:Really? I'm always curious when people make this claim. Is the assumption that without unions, all jobs would be miserable forever? That seems unlikely to me.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
May 1, 2012 9:46pm
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
May 1, 2012 10:09pm
Doesn't mean you are anything but a drag on the American competitiveness now. That's like saying fighting wars with the British gave us a free country, might as well keep fighting with them.Classyposter58;1159156 wrote:Don't hate on unions. Were the reason the rest of you have benefits, 40 hour work weeks(I know some ppl obviously work longer), weekends and a little thing called the middle class
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
May 1, 2012 10:28pm
Please give me an example when the Unions "threat effect" tactic has actually worked? Unions don't have the power to do this anymore.Classyposter58;1159171 wrote:Well they were the people who broke through to enforce this from factories and then other employers began to do similar things because people would rather work for the steel mill where they get more raises, benefits, pensions, than Employer B. Eventually employer B started doing the same to get good employees.
Unions may have been a benefit to us 100 years ago. Now, labor unions are only viable because billions were given by our Government.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
May 2, 2012 1:06am
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
May 2, 2012 2:13am
Perhaps you hit the nail on the head, the baby boomer and previous generations of union members not only sold out their employers, but their own children. Ask the typical UAW 25-year old, how are those reduced salaries, benefits and outlook working out for you? If nothing else you're padding the retirement packages of the nation's worst generation.Classyposter58;1159171 wrote:Well they were the people who broke through to enforce this from factories and then other employers began to do similar things because people would rather work for the steel mill where they get more raises, benefits, pensions, than Employer B. Eventually employer B started doing the same to get good employees. Idk though it's not like we're lazy as f***. The ones with the cakejobs are the ones with 25-30 years of seniority. We just have job security but hey we pay for that right
believer
Posts: 8,153
May 2, 2012 4:46am
LOL Who told you that lie? There is no such thing as "job security" even with union dues and union thuggery. You might have "job seniority". Big difference.Classyposter58;1159171 wrote:We just have job security but hey we pay for that right
believer
Posts: 8,153
May 2, 2012 4:48am
LOL Who told you that lie? There is no such thing as "job security" even with union dues and union thuggery. You might have "job seniority". Big difference.Classyposter58;1159171 wrote:We just have job security but hey we pay for that right
And this........Manhattan Buckeye;1159420 wrote:Perhaps you hit the nail on the head, the baby boomer and previous generations of union members not only sold out their employers, but their own children. Ask the typical UAW 25-year old, how are those reduced salaries, benefits and outlook working out for you? If nothing else you're padding the retirement packages of the nation's worst generation.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
May 2, 2012 7:00am
gosh have we had, large soulless profit driven corporations dealing with individuals. in that situation from Carnegie Steel to Walmart the worker has been used and abused when they lack united representation.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
May 2, 2012 7:43am
When SB 5 in Ohio was being voted on the Union Advertisement told the public that jobs would be lost and the protection of citizen would be limited if SB 5 would be passed. Schools would cut teachers and education programs would be lost also..
Today because of the Unions many cities have to cut Police, Fire and EMS, along with other city employees. Costing families within the community to suffer and lose of tax base income. Teacher and other staff in many district lost their job because of budget problem due to the Union and benefit of not sharing the expense like to private sector.
Union cares for a few not the many, as long as a Unions have political partners the public interest and well being will not be served
Today because of the Unions many cities have to cut Police, Fire and EMS, along with other city employees. Costing families within the community to suffer and lose of tax base income. Teacher and other staff in many district lost their job because of budget problem due to the Union and benefit of not sharing the expense like to private sector.
Union cares for a few not the many, as long as a Unions have political partners the public interest and well being will not be served
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Gblock
May 2, 2012 8:08am
FAIL....its not because of unions. Link?Belly35;1159466 wrote:When SB 5 in Ohio was being voted on the Union Advertisement told the public that jobs would be lost and the protection of citizen would be limited if SB 5 would be passed. Schools would cut teachers and education programs would be lost also..
Today because of the Unions many cities have to cut Police, Fire and EMS, along with other city employees. Costing families within the community to suffer and lose of tax base income. Teacher and other staff in many district lost their job because of budget problem due to the Union and benefit of not sharing the expense like to private sector.
Union cares for a few not the many, as long as a Unions have political partners the public interest and well being will not be served
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
May 2, 2012 8:13am
they have been cut because of reduction in state funding not because of the unionsBelly35;1159466 wrote:When SB 5 in Ohio was being voted on the Union Advertisement told the public that jobs would be lost and the protection of citizen would be limited if SB 5 would be passed. Schools would cut teachers and education programs would be lost also..
Today because of the Unions many cities have to cut Police, Fire and EMS, along with other city employees. Costing families within the community to suffer and lose of tax base income. Teacher and other staff in many district lost their job because of budget problem due to the Union and benefit of not sharing the expense like to private sector.
Union cares for a few not the many, as long as a Unions have political partners the public interest and well being will not be served
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 2, 2012 8:36am
Which is the whole point. With SB5 in place, schools and municipalities could have structured wages and benefits to fit their needs. Instead, they have to cut because they have to pay what the union contract says.isadore;1159480 wrote:they have been cut because of reduction in state funding not because of the unions
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 2, 2012 8:38am
YOU aren't the reason. Not even close. Unions 50, 75, 100 years ago are the reason. Today's union does nothing but inflate wages and increase prices for everyone. Gee, I wonder why our jobs are going overseas?Classyposter58;1159156 wrote:Don't hate on unions. Were the reason the rest of you have benefits, 40 hour work weeks(I know some ppl obviously work longer), weekends and a little thing called the middle class
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
May 2, 2012 8:39am
they have to continue to allow input from their workers in these decisions brought on my state budget cuts. horror of horrors that the workers have some input on the decisions that effect their lives.
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Gblock
May 2, 2012 8:41am
yea lets all work for the minimum wage that they pay over seas so everyone can have a low paying job. sounds great. structuring wages to fit their needs is just another word for paying minimum wage.WebFire;1159494 wrote:YOU aren't the reason. Not even close. Unions 50, 75, 100 years ago are the reason. Today's union does nothing but inflate wages and increase prices for everyone. Gee, I wonder why our jobs are going overseas?