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Apr 10, 2012 11:45 AM
that didn't take long...
Apr 10, 2012 11:45am
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Apr 10, 2012 11:45 AM
As long as it was the Marlins and not the MLB doing the suspension (which is looks like it was) I'm OK with it. Their organization, their rules.
Apr 10, 2012 11:45am
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Apr 10, 2012 11:48 AM
Yeah if the MLB suspended him id have a little bit of a problem with it, but if the Marlins did it...perfectly acceptable
Apr 10, 2012 11:48am
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Apr 10, 2012 12:01 PM
Ozzie always has been and always will be an idiot.

Problem is he's a good manager, and his players love him because he sticks up for them.

His ignorance of the Castro situation in a city that is so heavily Cuban is startling and indefensible though.
Apr 10, 2012 12:01pm
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Apr 10, 2012 12:08 PM
Why suspend him? You hired him knowing he's a vocal idiot.
Apr 10, 2012 12:08pm
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Apr 10, 2012 12:11 PM
MLB is a bunch of hypocrites if they don't suspend Ozzie. Marge Schott was suspended for over a year for her Hitler comments.
Apr 10, 2012 12:11pm
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Apr 10, 2012 12:22 PM
Skyhook79;1140921 wrote:MLB is a bunch of hypocrites if they don't suspend Ozzie. Marge Schott was suspended for over a year for her Hitler comments.

I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that she made racially insensitive comments like once a week, and owner discipline falls directly upon MLB.
Apr 10, 2012 12:22pm
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Apr 10, 2012 1:55 PM
Skyhook79;1140921 wrote:MLB is a bunch of hypocrites if they don't suspend Ozzie. Marge Schott was suspended for over a year for her Hitler comments.
lets just be clear Hitler > Castro
Apr 10, 2012 1:55pm
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Apr 10, 2012 2:03 PM
^ not according to Dan Lebatard.

"For Cuban-Americans, he's our Hitler. Without getting into a comparison shopping on atrocities, let that marinate for a second. For Cuban-Americans, Fidel Castro is our Hitler."[LEFT]
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/cuban-american-sports-radio-host-calls-fidel-castro-our-hitler-2012-4#ixzz1rf6Sk4dy
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Apr 10, 2012 2:03pm
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Apr 10, 2012 2:07 PM
Kinda like Reds fans saying Johnny Bench or Pete Rose is our Babe Ruth.
Apr 10, 2012 2:07pm
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Apr 10, 2012 2:26 PM
Castro is running an oppression filled country. But he also led the revolution to free that country. More Cubans than not love that man. They love what he has done for Cuba, and is doing for Cuba. They are oppressed, no doubt, but Cubans are happy for the most part. Then factor in that Ozzie actually had a decent point. That little shit is still alive, despite so many people (US Government) that do hate him.

Oh, and Hitler is nothing like Castro. Not even comparable.
Apr 10, 2012 2:26pm
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Apr 10, 2012 3:23 PM
Yea that comparison is beyond ridiculous.
Apr 10, 2012 3:23pm
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Apr 10, 2012 4:02 PM
He was a mediocre player and has always been an overrated, idiotic manager...I don't understand why people listen to what that retard says anyhow.
Apr 10, 2012 4:02pm
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Apr 10, 2012 4:11 PM
wes_mantooth;1141063 wrote:He was a mediocre player and has always been an overrated, idiotic manager...I don't understand why people listen to what that retard says anyhow.
unlike the games themselves, he's actually entertaining.
Apr 10, 2012 4:11pm
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Apr 10, 2012 4:15 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1141064 wrote:unlike the games themselves, he's actually entertaining.
Just the simple fact he's managing a team with Carlos Zambrano playing for him is entertaining in itself. You can imagine out-of-control breakdowns happening on a weekly basis between those two...and it still probably won't match the reality when it happens.
Apr 10, 2012 4:15pm
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Apr 10, 2012 4:16 PM
wes_mantooth;1141063 wrote:He was a mediocre player and has always been an overrated, idiotic manager...I don't understand why people listen to what that retard says anyhow.
I think hes a solid manager. He had talent in Chicago, but I dont think it was ever top talent. He got them to overachieve in many years, particularly in the WS title year. He did underachieve in a few years as well though, imo. But for the most part, he seemed to get the most out of his guys and put them in position to win games.
Apr 10, 2012 4:16pm
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Apr 10, 2012 4:25 PM
Laley23;1141068 wrote:I think hes a solid manager. He had talent in Chicago, but I dont think it was ever top talent. He got them to overachieve in many years, particularly in the WS title year. He did underachieve in a few years as well though, imo. But for the most part, he seemed to get the most out of his guys and put them in position to win games.
They had good pitching, and guys that hit for average and power. I am just one of those guys that doesn't believe that baseball managers make much of a difference.
Apr 10, 2012 4:25pm
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Apr 10, 2012 4:34 PM
wes_mantooth;1141077 wrote:They had good pitching, and guys that hit for average and power. I am just one of those guys that doesn't believe that baseball managers make much of a difference.
Depends on the time of the game and how close it is. I read a good blog entry about Charlie Manuel's bad managing possibly costing the Phillies a game or two in their series with Pittsburgh to open the year. It kind of went hand-in-hand with the Grantland article about how closers are overrated that was posted on the Tribe thread.

In that one, it mentioned that because Chris Perez is Cleveland's closer, they were determined to put him into save situations right away EVEN THOUGH he missed most of the spring training stuff. Because he's labeled the closer, he gets put into those situations even if he might not be 100% ready and/or the starter had things under control and should have been given a chance to finish the game.

In this one, it mentioned how in the second game, with the score 1-1 going into the 9th (and 10th) inning, they didn't bring in Papelbon after paying him $50 million...because it wasn't a save situation. Philly lost due to long reliever Joe Blanton giving up the game-winning hit. In the third game, Philly had a 4-3 lead late with their relief faltering. Manuel didn't bring in Papelbon in the eighth inning with two outs and Pittsburgh tied it in that inning off one random relief guy and then won it in the 9th against another random guy when Manuel still didn't use his big-money, late-innings guy.

That's where a manager can hurt you, I think. When they use "conventional wisdom" to make decisions even though logic and reason says that might not be the best idea.
Apr 10, 2012 4:34pm
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Apr 10, 2012 4:54 PM
ts1227;1140934 wrote:I'm sure that had nothing to do with the fact that she made racially insensitive comments like once a week, and owner discipline falls directly upon MLB.
Who suspended manager Pete Rose? Also doesn't Ozzie make them "once a week" too?
Apr 10, 2012 4:54pm
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Apr 10, 2012 9:37 PM
Laley23;1141021 wrote:Castro is running an oppression filled country. But he also led the revolution to free that country. More Cubans than not love that man. They love what he has done for Cuba, and is doing for Cuba. They are oppressed, no doubt, but Cubans are happy for the most part. Then factor in that Ozzie actually had a decent point. That little **** is still alive, despite so many people (US Government) that do hate him.

Oh, and Hitler is nothing like Castro. Not even comparable.
More Germans than not loved Hitler. They loved what he did for Germany. Alot of people tried to kill Hitler until he did the job for himself. Guillen bad luck that a large portion of Castro's living victims ended up in the Miami area and didn't appreciate his little love not to that scummy little despot. You might get some of the same reaction if joe girardi told time he loved hitler because of his mustache.
Apr 10, 2012 9:37pm
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Apr 10, 2012 10:24 PM
isadore;1141344 wrote:More Germans than not loved Hitler. They loved what he did for Germany. Alot of people tried to kill Hitler until he did the job for himself. Guillen bad luck that a large portion of Castro's living victims ended up in the Miami area and didn't appreciate his little love not to that scummy little despot. You might get some of the same reaction if joe girardi told time he loved hitler because of his mustache.
The fact that we are actually arguing that Castro is as bad as Hitler is a joke.
Apr 10, 2012 10:24pm
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Apr 10, 2012 10:34 PM
the points you used to discount similarities were disproven. Most importantly whether we think they are similar or not is not the question. It is what Cuban Americans consider them similar. People who were driven into exile, who themselves may have been imprisoned, who may have had friends or family members executed by Castro, have reason to make the comparison.
Apr 10, 2012 10:34pm
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Apr 10, 2012 10:43 PM
isadore;1141393 wrote:the points you used to discount similarities were disproven. Most importantly whether we think they are similar or not is not the question. It is what Cuban Americans consider them similar. People who were driven into exile, who themselves may have been imprisoned, who may have had friends or family members executed by Castro, have reason to make the comparison.
Not really. I dont know why Germans loved Hitler, so I cant comment.

But Cubans love Fidel because he, his brother, Cienfeugos and Che Guevara led a revolution to free them of a Portugese Dictator. He had the country in an economic upswing before the US employed an embargo. Cuba was a disaster before Fidel led the revolution and freed them. Thats why the country, for the most part, loves them.

Castro is bad, but Hitler was killing people for what their last names were. Castro doesnt mass murder people, unless they are trying to overthrow his government. Castro is leading a very oppressed people. But he is not Hitler, and he is not trying to enforce his will outside of the country that he is in power of.
Apr 10, 2012 10:43pm
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Apr 10, 2012 11:06 PM
Laley23;1141395 wrote:Not really. I dont know why Germans loved Hitler, so I cant comment.

But Cubans love Fidel because he, his brother, Cienfeugos and Che Guevara led a revolution to free them of a Portugese Dictator. He had the country in an economic upswing before the US employed an embargo. Cuba was a disaster before Fidel led the revolution and freed them. Thats why the country, for the most part, loves them.

Castro is bad, but Hitler was killing people for what their last names were. Castro doesnt mass murder people, unless they are trying to overthrow his government. Castro is leading a very oppressed people. But he is not Hitler, and he is not trying to enforce his will outside of the country that he is in power of.
Fulgencio Battista was born in Cuba with a parent who was a veteran of the Cuban War of Independence, not Portuguese. When Castro came to power he executed thousands . Before Castro Cuba was beginning to build up with a growing middle class. He drove out these entrepeneurs and professionals. He destroyed the Cuban economy which only survived on support from the USSR and its satellites. And now by money sent by refugees from Cuba to their families still living in the despotism. His army was used by the Soviet Union to fight imperial wars in Sub Sahara Africa to spread communism. To refugees he is their Cubans he is their Lenin, their Mao, their Hitler.
Apr 10, 2012 11:06pm