jmog;1159932 wrote:Any time you want to go head to head in any academic arena, let me know...guarantee my mind isn't broken.

Uh Oh!!! Looks like someone wants to touch pee pee's!

sleeper;1159926 wrote:You're an evangelical Christian. I could have irrefutable evidence that God doesn't exist and you'd still believe.

Your mind is broken.

See below for exhibit A.

jmog;1159930 wrote:I will say again...read Dr. Baumgartner's work, if a flood did happen his model shows that the mountains we know now were formed BY plate tectonic shifts that were caused by the flood. So the mountains we know now did not exist until different continents slammed into each other after the flood.

There goes your copy/paste math.

Any high school geometry kid can do that volume of a sphere math, the problem is the original assumption maybe way off. In other words, the "r2" would be a whole lot closer to the "r1" making the calculation predict MUCH less water.

jmog;1159932 wrote:Any time you want to go head to head in any academic arena, let me know...guarantee my mind isn't broken.

No thanks. I prefer debates rooted in rationality, not faith based crap from biased "scientists" like yourself.

Devils Advocate;1159933 wrote:Uhhh. Looks like it adds up to potatoe.

Somewhere Dan Quayle is mumbling incesently, rocking back and forth with his arms clutching his bent-knees to his chest say, "P-O-T-A-T-O!!!"

jmog;1159930 wrote:I will say again...read Dr. Baumgartner's work, if a flood did happen his model shows that the mountains we know now were formed BY plate tectonic shifts that were caused by the flood. So the mountains we know now did not exist until different continents slammed into each other after the flood.

There goes your copy/paste math.

Any high school geometry kid can do that volume of a sphere math, the problem is the original assumption maybe way off. In other words, the "r2" would be a whole lot closer to the "r1" making the calculation predict MUCH less water.

So, How does the whole earth is 8000 years old align with this?

Or the fact that the Egyptians apparently survived the global flood. I thought God hated them? But he created them?

Devils Advocate;1159938 wrote:So, How does the whole earth is 8000 years old align with this?

Why does it have to?

Devils Advocate;1159938 wrote:So, How does the whole earth is 8000 ears old align with this?

I've read this posts on the Chatter a few times, and I would like to point out that - from what I've read - the Bible does not say the earth is 8,000 years old. It says He created the heavens and the earth, then there is a sequence for the next seven day of creation. It could be 8000 years and one nano-second or 8 trillion years old... Just saying.

Devils Advocate;1159934 wrote:Uh Oh!!! Looks like someone wants to touch pee pee's!

That's what came to mind when you read that?

Interesting.

cruiser_96;1159942 wrote:I've read this posts on the Chatter a few times, and I would like to point out that - from what I've read - the Bible does not say the earth is 8,000 years old. It says He created the heavens and the earth, then there is a sequence for the next seven day of creation. It could be 8000 years and one nano-second or 8 trillion years old... Just saying.

You would think a book rooted in proving god's existence would know exactly when he created the earth.

cruiser_96;1159942 wrote:I've read this posts on the Chatter a few times, and I would like to point out that - from what I've read - the Bible does not say the earth is 8,000 years old. It says He created the heavens and the earth, then there is a sequence for the next seven day of creation. It could be 8000 years and one nano-second or 8 trillion years old... Just saying.

So a nano-second is now a day?

Only in the bible...

jmog;1159930 wrote:I will say again...read Dr. Baumgartner's work, if a flood did happen his model shows that the mountains we know now were formed BY plate tectonic shifts that were caused by the flood. So the mountains we know now did not exist until different continents slammed into each other after the flood.

There goes your copy/paste math.

Any high school geometry kid can do that volume of a sphere math, the problem is the original assumption maybe way off. In other words, the "r2" would be a whole lot closer to the "r1" making the calculation predict MUCH less water.

Again the problem is that your model doesn't take into account reality. Mineral deposits, fossil locations, plant and animal dispersion, geologic records, etc, etc. And the fact that it didn't fucking kill everyone nor are we all related to Noah like we should be if the Biblical account is true.

vball there are plenty of other threads that no one reads that you can mess up. Leave this one alone.

jmog;1159930 wrote:I will say again...read Dr. Baumgartner's work, if a flood did happen his model shows that the mountains we know now were formed BY plate tectonic shifts that were caused by the flood. So the mountains we know now did not exist until different continents slammed into each other after the flood.

There goes your copy/paste math.

Any high school geometry kid can do that volume of a sphere math, the problem is the original assumption maybe way off. In other words, the "r2" would be a whole lot closer to the "r1" making the calculation predict MUCH less water.

lol so every piece of land was flat? You seriously believe this?

cruiser_96;1159942 wrote:I've read this posts on the Chatter a few times, and I would like to point out that - from what I've read - the Bible does not say the earth is 8,000 years old. It says He created the heavens and the earth, then there is a sequence for the next seven day of creation. It could be 8000 years and one nano-second or 8 trillion years old... Just saying.

From what you've read from whom and where did they get this knowledge? Seems like another one of those "well it could mean...." scenarios to justify things that don't jive with reality.

I Wear Pants;1159949 wrote:Again the problem is that your model doesn't take into account reality. Mineral deposits, fossil locations, plant and animal dispersion, geologic records, etc, etc. And the fact that it didn't fucking kill everyone nor are we all related to Noah like we should be if the Biblical account is true.

Plus, we are still forgetting there are 30 million different species(x2 so 60 million) that we have to fit on a boat, plus provide food for. The logistics alone would take a century to get all of them in one place.

I mean, I can't believe I have to explain this to adults.

sleeper;1159936 wrote:No thanks. I prefer debates rooted in rationality, not faith based crap from biased "scientists" like yourself.

John R. Baumgardner, Ph.D. Geophysics/Space Physics

B.S. Electrical Engineering, Texas Tech University - 1968
M.S. Electrical Engineering, Princeton University - 1970
M.S. Geophysics and Space Physics, UCLA - 1981
Ph.D. Geophysics and Space Physics, UCLA - 1983

Organizations: American Geophysical Union
Mineralogical Society of America


Professional Experience:
Technical Staff Member/Scientist - Los Alamos National Laboratory, Theoretical Division, New Mexico (1984 - Present).
Member of Technical Staff and Consultant - Rockwell International, Rocketdyne Division, Laser Department (1978-1979, 1981-1984).
Graduate Research Assistant - University of California, Los Angeles, Dept. of Earth and Space Sciences (1979-1983).
Consultant - R & D Associates (1980-1981).
Project Officer - U. S. Air Force, Air Force Weapons Laboratory, Laser Division, Kirtland AFB, New Mexico (1971-1975).


Current Research Interests:
Three-dimensional numerical simulation of planetary mantle dynamics, global climate change, and nonlinear rheological behavior.
Development of efficient hydrodynamics methods, suitable for 3-D, both explicit and implicit, for massively parallel supercomputers.


Sleeper

Allegedly has a BS from tOSU
Prefers debates rooted in "rationality"

Also, jmog, does that guys model show how our mountain ranges were formed in slightly less than a year? I'm not a geologist but I'm pretty fucking certain that kind of movement would have caused earthquakes of a cataclysmic size. Don't read anything in the Bible about Noah stepping off the boat and having to deal with a 282 scale aftershock.

fish82;1159956 wrote:John R. Baumgardner, Ph.D. Geophysics/Space Physics

B.S. Electrical Engineering, Texas Tech University - 1968
M.S. Electrical Engineering, Princeton University - 1970
M.S. Geophysics and Space Physics, UCLA - 1981
Ph.D. Geophysics and Space Physics, UCLA - 1983

Organizations: American Geophysical Union
Mineralogical Society of America


Professional Experience:
Technical Staff Member/Scientist - Los Alamos National Laboratory, Theoretical Division, New Mexico (1984 - Present).
Member of Technical Staff and Consultant - Rockwell International, Rocketdyne Division, Laser Department (1978-1979, 1981-1984).
Graduate Research Assistant - University of California, Los Angeles, Dept. of Earth and Space Sciences (1979-1983).
Consultant - R & D Associates (1980-1981).
Project Officer - U. S. Air Force, Air Force Weapons Laboratory, Laser Division, Kirtland AFB, New Mexico (1971-1975).


Current Research Interests:
Three-dimensional numerical simulation of planetary mantle dynamics, global climate change, and nonlinear rheological behavior.
Development of efficient hydrodynamics methods, suitable for 3-D, both explicit and implicit, for massively parallel supercomputers.


Sleeper

Allegedly has a BS from tOSU
Prefers debates rooted in "rationality"

You forgot the part where he's a young earth creationist.

fish82;1159956 wrote:John R. Baumgardner, Ph.D. Geophysics/Space Physics

B.S. Electrical Engineering, Texas Tech University - 1968
M.S. Electrical Engineering, Princeton University - 1970
M.S. Geophysics and Space Physics, UCLA - 1981
Ph.D. Geophysics and Space Physics, UCLA - 1983

Organizations: American Geophysical Union
Mineralogical Society of America


Professional Experience:
Technical Staff Member/Scientist - Los Alamos National Laboratory, Theoretical Division, New Mexico (1984 - Present).
Member of Technical Staff and Consultant - Rockwell International, Rocketdyne Division, Laser Department (1978-1979, 1981-1984).
Graduate Research Assistant - University of California, Los Angeles, Dept. of Earth and Space Sciences (1979-1983).
Consultant - R & D Associates (1980-1981).
Project Officer - U. S. Air Force, Air Force Weapons Laboratory, Laser Division, Kirtland AFB, New Mexico (1971-1975).


Current Research Interests:
Three-dimensional numerical simulation of planetary mantle dynamics, global climate change, and nonlinear rheological behavior.
Development of efficient hydrodynamics methods, suitable for 3-D, both explicit and implicit, for massively parallel supercomputers.


Sleeper

Allegedly has a BS from tOSU
Prefers debates rooted in "rationality"

You forgot to add "Believer" to his CV which discredits his entire work.

sleeper;1159955 wrote:Plus, we are still forgetting there are 30 million different species(x2 so 60 million) that we have to fit on a boat, plus provide food for. The logistics alone would take a century to get all of them in one place.

I mean, I can't believe I have to explain this to adults.

Are you including plants in that? Because that's an impressive damn boat to hold all those trees.

Any credible PhD wouldn't dare argue that a global flood happened. It's such a dumb concept/idea that only the ones who can't make it in the real world try to throw around their "credibility" to make a small salary.

I Wear Pants;1159949 wrote:Again the problem is that your model doesn't take into account reality. Mineral deposits, fossil locations, plant and animal dispersion, geologic records, etc, etc. And the fact that it didn't ****ing kill everyone nor are we all related to Noah like we should be if the Biblical account is true.

Again, (and as usual) you're missing the point. He's not saying the flood happened. He's saying it's physically possible...that it could happen, which you incorrectly claimed was false.

sleeper;1159963 wrote:You forgot to add "Believer" to his CV which discredits his entire work.

Shockingly, the staff at Los Alamos, Rockwell International, UCLA, and the US Air Force seem to disagree with you.

I Wear Pants;1159964 wrote:Are you including plants in that? Because that's an impressive damn boat to hold all those trees.

You don't need trees when God can just snap his fingers and create whatever he wants at will. Except women, those come from a man's rib. :laugh: