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Apr 17, 2012 9:06 PM
Skyhook79;1146357 wrote:Maybe we will find out when the Rapture comes.
you honestly believe the rapture is coming?
Apr 17, 2012 9:06pm
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Apr 17, 2012 10:20 PM
DeyDurkie5;1146358 wrote:let's just hope one of you aren't gay, cause the christian thing to do would be ignore them and think "omg they are sinning every day of their life"
You should know from all the soccer talk I am a part of...makes me gay because soccer is gay.
Apr 17, 2012 10:20pm
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I Wear Pants

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Apr 17, 2012 10:23 PM
jmog;1146228 wrote:I have read it. Twice actually. While it was an interesting read it made some very stretching conclusions from some interesting assumptions.
I'm curious, which were those?

And also, even if that were true...isn't that what religion does?
Apr 17, 2012 10:23pm
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Apr 18, 2012 12:09 AM
I Wear Pants;1146525 wrote:I'm curious, which were those?

And also, even if that were true...isn't that what religion does?
I don't deny that religion does this as well, but to say that his book pretty much disproves all religion is about as far fetching as saying I can prove 100% that God created the Earth 6000 years ago.

Neither would be even close to accurate.
Apr 18, 2012 12:09am
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Apr 18, 2012 12:26 AM
jmog;1146643 wrote:I don't deny that religion does this as well, but to say that his book pretty much disproves all religion is about as far fetching as saying I can prove 100% that God created the Earth 6000 years ago.

Neither would be even close to accurate.
Sure but I disagree that it's as far fetching. The earth is not 6000 years old and that is simply not arguable, it's fact.

I'd argue that books like his and those from Hitchens and Shermer and Degrasse Tyson and Sagan, etc make a very strong case against the existence of god(s). I don't think there's any chance that should there be a god that it is the god of any of the religions we see practiced today or in the past.

I would also love to hear which points you thought were stretching conclusions Dawkins made from assumptions, always up for different interpretations of things I've read.
Apr 18, 2012 12:26am
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Apr 18, 2012 12:55 AM
Earth is definitely not 6,000 years old.
Apr 18, 2012 12:55am
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Apr 18, 2012 8:41 AM
I Wear Pants;1146647 wrote:Sure but I disagree that it's as far fetching. The earth is not 6000 years old and that is simply not arguable, it's fact.

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Please prove this 100%. I would love to read it. I am not saying the evidence isn't there to support your claim but to say it is 100% fact is erroneous.
Apr 18, 2012 8:41am
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Apr 18, 2012 9:17 AM
jmog;1146763 wrote:Please prove this 100%. I would love to read it. I am not saying the evidence isn't there to support your claim but to say it is 100% fact is erroneous.
Dude are you shitting me?

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence. The earth is not 6000 years old.

Simply because we can't "100% for sure prove" something doesn't mean it isn't so. We cannot 100% prove anything that we weren't alive for but evidence suffices. The earth is not 6000 years old get over it.
Apr 18, 2012 9:17am
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Apr 18, 2012 9:18 AM
I Wear Pants;1146812 wrote:Those people are idiots.
Typical response.
Apr 18, 2012 9:18am
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Apr 18, 2012 9:25 AM
I Wear Pants;1146812 wrote:Those people are idiots.
So are people who think someone can rise from the dead.
Apr 18, 2012 9:25am
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Apr 18, 2012 9:26 AM
Skyhook79;1146813 wrote:Typical response.
Dude. They used the bible as a source to explain impossibly quick formation of all the earths rock. That's beyond ignorant. That flood didn't happen.
Apr 18, 2012 9:26am
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Apr 18, 2012 10:10 AM
jmog;1146643 wrote:I don't deny that religion does this as well, but to say that his book pretty much disproves all religion is about as far fetching as saying I can prove 100% that God created the Earth 6000 years ago.

Neither would be even close to accurate.
It disproves religion? It most certainly does. Does it disprove god? No, but it presents arguments that make god seem a lot less likely.
Apr 18, 2012 10:10am
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Apr 18, 2012 10:12 AM
I Wear Pants;1146821 wrote:Dude. They used the bible as a source to explain impossibly quick formation of all the earths rock. That's beyond ignorant. That flood didn't happen.
LOL +1 Would read again. I would LOVE to see jmog publish the Earth being only 6000 years old in a NASA journal. I wonder why he doesn't? Because it would be fraud and he would be out of a job, apparently he doesn't apply that to his personal life though. :cool:
Apr 18, 2012 10:12am
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Apr 18, 2012 1:37 PM
I Wear Pants;1146809 wrote:Dude are you shitting me?

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence. The earth is not 6000 years old.

Simply because we can't "100% for sure prove" something doesn't mean it isn't so. We cannot 100% prove anything that we weren't alive for but evidence suffices. The earth is not 6000 years old get over it.
Nothing can be ever be 100% proven. You can get close to 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999% but not 100%. It's a logical and trup loop hole to justify an erroneous belief, it's also a tool used by frauds and derelicts to scam people.
Apr 18, 2012 1:37pm
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Apr 18, 2012 1:43 PM
sleeper;1147018 wrote:Nothing can be ever be 100% proven. You can get close to 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999% but not 100%. It's a logical and trup loop hole to justify an erroneous belief, it's also a tool used by frauds and derelicts to scam people.
*true
Apr 18, 2012 1:43pm
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Apr 18, 2012 6:22 PM
I Wear Pants;1146821 wrote:Dude. They used the bible as a source to explain impossibly quick formation of all the earths rock. That's beyond ignorant. That flood didn't happen.
Link?
Apr 18, 2012 6:22pm
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I Wear Pants

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Apr 18, 2012 9:54 PM
Skyhook79;1147290 wrote:Link?
Are we talking about Noah's flood here? Because the biblical Noah's flood literally could not have happened. Scientifically impossible.
Apr 18, 2012 9:54pm
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Apr 19, 2012 8:14 AM
I Wear Pants;1146821 wrote:Dude. They used the bible as a source to explain impossibly quick formation of all the earths rock. That's beyond ignorant. That flood didn't happen.
Actually I'd you read more they explain other cases where rock layers have been formed rapidly like Mt St Helen's, various local floods, etc. They showed that rock layers CAN form quickly in extreme circumstances. They then say if me believes the flood was real then most certainly 6000 years is realistic.
Apr 19, 2012 8:14am
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Apr 19, 2012 8:14 AM
I Wear Pants;1147540 wrote:Are we talking about Noah's flood here? Because the biblical Noah's flood literally could not have happened. Scientifically impossible.
Please show such scientific proof that the flood was impossible.
Apr 19, 2012 8:14am
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Apr 19, 2012 8:16 AM
I Wear Pants;1146812 wrote:Those people are idiots.
You do realize the people at AiG are PhD scientists correct?
Apr 19, 2012 8:16am
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Apr 19, 2012 8:18 AM
I Wear Pants;1146809 wrote:Dude are you ****ting me?

There is an overwhelming amount of evidence. The earth is not 6000 years old.

Simply because we can't "100% for sure prove" something doesn't mean it isn't so. We cannot 100% prove anything that we weren't alive for but evidence suffices. The earth is not 6000 years old get over it.

Here we go...

Can you give me a dating method that validates your claim?
Apr 19, 2012 8:18am
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Apr 19, 2012 9:38 AM
jmog;1147735 wrote:You do realize the people at AiG are PhD scientists correct?
PhD scientists who couldn't get a real job because they got them at a local community college.
Apr 19, 2012 9:38am
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Apr 19, 2012 9:39 AM
jmog;1147731 wrote:Actually I'd you read more they explain other cases where rock layers have been formed rapidly like Mt St Helen's, various local floods, etc. They showed that rock layers CAN form quickly in extreme circumstances. They then say if me believes the flood was real then most certainly 6000 years is realistic.
Can you show me how an invisible man in the sky created the world in 7 days? And verify that he did that all while resting on the 7th day?

LOL

EZ.
Apr 19, 2012 9:39am