Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Apr 3, 2012 4:55pm
I guess I am getting old, but I do emphathize with the school here. Wearing this t-shirt will just lead to to many distractions. I can undertand the message the kid wants to send, but he can do that on his own time.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120403/NEWS/304030054
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120403/NEWS/304030054
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 3, 2012 5:03pm
"Couch said other students routinely wear religious-oriented shirts that include Bible verses"
Good but Couch's shirt isn't a Bible verse, nor is it religious.
Good but Couch's shirt isn't a Bible verse, nor is it religious.
tcarrier32
Posts: 1,497
Apr 3, 2012 5:24pm
I hope he wins.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Apr 3, 2012 5:31pm
No it's not.Couch said he was told the shirt was not permitted because it was “indecent and sexual in nature.”
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Apr 3, 2012 5:33pm
He was told it was too religious...Skyhook79;1135797 wrote:"Couch said other students routinely wear religious-oriented shirts that include Bible verses"
Good but Couch's shirt isn't a Bible verse, nor is it religious.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Apr 3, 2012 5:45pm
Interesting timing.
I just got done reading the following link concerning homosexuality and Christianity. Then I popped on here to see this thread.
http://www.danoah.com/2012/04/a-teens-brave-response-to-im-christian-unless-youre-gay.html
I just got done reading the following link concerning homosexuality and Christianity. Then I popped on here to see this thread.
http://www.danoah.com/2012/04/a-teens-brave-response-to-im-christian-unless-youre-gay.html
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 3, 2012 5:57pm
How does he know Jesus is not a homophobe? I know the Catholic Church has a lot of pedophiles, but that's still presumptuous. I mean, one could argue the mere existence of homophobes is actually the Lord working in mysterious ways.
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yobro08
Posts: 237
Apr 3, 2012 6:07pm
another case of gays thinking they can do whatever they want...
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Apr 3, 2012 6:29pm
just another case of a gay student thinking he should have the same rights as other students
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 3, 2012 6:45pm
Doesn't mean they are right.wildcats20;1135808 wrote:He was told it was too religious...
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 3, 2012 6:47pm
The problem is it's really a deliberately offensive affront on the belief system of others couched as a positive affirmation of who he is. I doubt you would support a student wearing "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" t-shirts. I don't think we should condone such counter-productive or negative forms of expression in our children. It's inappropriate to express yourself in a way that mocks or ridicules someone else.isadore;1135844 wrote:just another case of a gay student thinking he should have the same rights as other students
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Apr 3, 2012 6:51pm
Who said they were?Skyhook79;1135860 wrote:Doesn't mean they are right.
But if they want to call his shirt religious, then he can use other examples of religious shirts in comparison.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 3, 2012 6:55pm
LMAO, wait a minute, the most ridiculous part of all this is the fact that HE'S SUING!!! Wow, what an egregious sense of entitlement. You made your point and got some attention, they told you not to wear the shirt, now move on. Of course, that's not good enough. When is it ok to say "life ain't fair, deal with it?" Does that not apply to some people?
Why is this lawsuit not being ridiculed like we would if some soccer mom was suing over little Johnny being a bad dodgeball player?
Why is this lawsuit not being ridiculed like we would if some soccer mom was suing over little Johnny being a bad dodgeball player?
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Apr 3, 2012 7:16pm
man, talk about fitting the stereotype-he sure as hell doesn't need a shirt to proclaim his gayness
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Apr 3, 2012 7:19pm
Ya, who sues schools over constitutional rights?gut;1135864 wrote:LMAO, wait a minute, the most ridiculous part of all this is the fact that HE'S SUING!!! Wow, what an egregious sense of entitlement. You made your point and got some attention, they told you not to wear the shirt, now move on. Of course, that's not good enough. When is it ok to say "life ain't fair, deal with it?" Does that not apply to some people?
Why is this lawsuit not being ridiculed like we would if some soccer mom was suing over little Johnny being a bad dodgeball player?
Oh wait...
http://blogs.lawyers.com/2011/03/freedom-of-speech-at-school-tinker-v-des-moines/
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Apr 3, 2012 7:32pm
I just hate how anyone and everyone is labeled a homophobe anymore. From Merriam-Webster:
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
I have no problem supporting gays who get beaten up or severely ridiculed for who they. Show me a petition to stop this behavior and I'll sign it. What bugs me is how anyone who personally have disagreements with the lifestyle on religious or moral grounds to be cast in the same lot as a bunch of idiots who are putting a curb-stomping to some guy named Terry wearing a dog-collar and leather pants. People have the right to not agree with how everyone lives their life.
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
I have no problem supporting gays who get beaten up or severely ridiculed for who they. Show me a petition to stop this behavior and I'll sign it. What bugs me is how anyone who personally have disagreements with the lifestyle on religious or moral grounds to be cast in the same lot as a bunch of idiots who are putting a curb-stomping to some guy named Terry wearing a dog-collar and leather pants. People have the right to not agree with how everyone lives their life.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Apr 3, 2012 8:36pm
The kid is fighting for the right to express a positive opinion. Bullying by homophobes have driven gay kids to their deaths. How about "Jesus is not a misogynist", but of course that might offend wife beaters and Rush Limbaugh dittoheads. "Jesus is not a racist" too offensive to bigots. I would think everyone of those slogans promote a postive message and a positive view of Christ.gut;1135861 wrote:The problem is it's really a deliberately offensive affront on the belief system of others couched as a positive affirmation of who he is. I doubt you would support a student wearing "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" t-shirts. I don't think we should condone such counter-productive or negative forms of expression in our children. It's inappropriate to express yourself in a way that mocks or ridicules someone else.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 3, 2012 9:01pm
The kid needs to take the shirt off and stfu.
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isadore
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Apr 3, 2012 9:05pm
or you will beat the shit out of him.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 3, 2012 9:27pm
No. I'm just not a fan of attention whores. Take the shirt off, stfu, get good grades and he'll have plenty of opportunities to express his sexuality in college.isadore;1135960 wrote:or you will beat the shit out of him.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 3, 2012 9:32pm
Why couldn't he do that with the shirt still on? Maybe the school should stfu about a completely inoffensive t-shirt.Automatik;1135991 wrote:Take the shirt off, stfu, get good grades and he'll have plenty of opportunities to express his sexuality in college.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 3, 2012 9:36pm
He could, but unfortunately for him, the school will not allow that. He should again, just stfu and move on. When I was in hs people had to change their shirts all the time, some offensive, some not. Why sue and bring more attention?Mulva;1135995 wrote:Why couldn't he do that with the shirt still on? Maybe the school should stfu about a completely inoffensive t-shirt.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Apr 3, 2012 9:41pm
1. The message he expressed is a positive one and not restricted to gays.Automatik;1135991 wrote:No. I'm just not a fan of attention whores. Take the shirt off, stfu, get good grades and he'll have plenty of opportunities to express his sexuality in college.
2. Standing up for what is right should not have to be delayed until he is in college.
3. What he did is not disruptive to the learning process. (Tinker v DesMoine Schools)
4. Opposing bullying of gays is a good cause and attention should be brought to it.
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Steel Valley Football
Posts: 4,548
Apr 3, 2012 9:41pm
Ok, he's suing. What damages are being sought? Monetary or just the right to wear the shirt? What's gonna happen, if he shows other examples of kids wearing similarly distractive shirts, is the school will just crack down on all shirts and hes gonna ruin it for everyone.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 3, 2012 9:45pm
I agree with all of this. I'm not offended by the shirt, but the school says he cannot wear it. So he decides to sue? Sorry, its stupid and a waste of time.isadore;1136017 wrote:1. The message he expressed is a positive one and not restricted to gays.
2. Standing up for what is right should not have to be delayed until he is in college.
3. What he did is not disruptive to the learning process. (Tinker v DesMoine Schools)
4. Opposing bullying of gays is a good cause and attention should be brought to it.
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I actually agree with CC. IMO, its attention whoring.