I guess you could look to almost every state and ask yourself how a certain person was elected. Nancy Pelosi is always the first person that comes to mind when I think of that.

bigdaddy2003;1119599 wrote:I guess you could look to almost every state and ask yourself how a certain person was elected. Nancy Pelosi is always the first person that comes to mind when I think of that.

Lots of people say things to get elected, and then act differently. That's why politicians have a reputation as liars. Santorum definitely fits the bill, IMO. He's conservative, but he's really cranked it up to appeal to the far right as his only chance to get the nomination. Pelosi, on the other hand, is every bit as bat-sheet crazy as she portrays - no "act" there.

I don't like Santorum's overuse of hyperbole and exaggeration, but that is, again, typical of many politicians. He's being ragged on for his over-the-top use of hyperbole, but he's not stupid and these aren't invalid positions, most people just don't care for social conservative views, or don't want it forced on them.

His comment about plants not minding CO2 was on the mark. A little too laissez-faire for my liking, but a fairly succinct commentary on the incompleteness of the research and the use of fear to push a costly green agenda. Most of us don't want politicians telling us what we do in the bedroom or watch on tv/internet, but his views on porn are not misaligned with many Christians and there is valid research that he's cited. It is a nanny-state view, but it's not a stupid or indefensible one. His comments on education, again, probably don't sufficiently find their mark but it's also true that there are a number of people who get buried under a mountain of debt that either aren't college material or pursue a useless major - and many of those would be better served with a trade school or technical degree. It's politically incorrect to say so, but it IS harmful to push some of these kids toward college when better paths to a better life are available to them.

I don't like Santorum. His views, at least in these 1-2 sentence soundbites, are overly simplistic and too black & white. Too dismissive. And I hate the use of such hyperbole in politics in general. But there's a fair amount of pragmatism in his comments that are being completely ignored and pushed aside in the attacks on him,

gut;1119610 wrote:But there's a fair amount of pragmatism in his comments that are being completely ignored and pushed aside in the attacks on him,

I have a hunch that if Santorum had been the front-runner from the beginning, we would not have seen him playing the hyperbole game. No doubt the Santorum camp sees social conservatives as his best chance at gaining the nomination. Not going to happen....so all of you frothing Santorum haters can pull your panties out of your ass cheeks. :rolleyes:

believer;1119647 wrote:....so all of you frothing Santorum haters can pull your panties out of your ass cheeks. :rolleyes:

Oh ok. Thanks.

justincredible;1119657 wrote:Oh ok. Thanks.

Bottom-line is it will be Romney vs. the Bammer. I don't particularly care for Santorum either. I just don't understand the level of Santorum Anxiety when it's clear he has no real chance of gaining the nomination.

We'd be better off looking ahead at the Obama vs. Obama-White...I mean Light campaign.

believer;1119687 wrote:Bottom-line is it will be Romney vs. the Bammer. I don't particularly care for Santorum either. I just don't understand the level of Santorum Anxiety when it's clear he has no real chance of gaining the nomination.

We'd be better off looking ahead at the Obama vs. Obama-White...I mean Light campaign.

I'm not a huge Romney fan, but I an not falling for the Ronulan Paulbotoid definition of him being Obama-Lite. He has some solid cinservative ideas and has vowed to repeal ObamaKare. He's no Obama. Not even close.

justincredible;1119202 wrote:

gut;1119149 wrote:Nahhh, we already elected THAT guy in 2008.

I think I'd vote for Obama if Santorum were the R candidate.

Agreed. Santorum is not only nuts, he's dangerous. His anti-everything that is not white, christian, hetero, etc etc would be scary if he were elected. Thankfully he has absolutely no chance to become president.

HitsRus;1119226 wrote:Because of one issue?...and that issue is porn?

Well I guess if Snoop Dog and Willie Nelson can support Ron Paul because he is in favor of legalization of marijuana, I guess it is concievable that Justin won't vote for Santorum because of a statement about porn....
...and there will be some who will vote for him because of that.

Hopefully, most people won't buy into the Dem's strategy of making us take our eye off the ball.....Meanwhile we bungle along in Afghanistan, cost estimates for ObamaKare were a scam, the economy is sluggish and uncertainty abounds, trillion dollar deficits, gas prices are thru the roof and the president continues policies that will ensure they stay high in the future.

But Rick Santorum is against internet porn....outrageous!

You can't be this ignorant? No one is stating that this is the only reason, but it is a good example of how he doesn't believe in the constitution anymore than Bush or Obama do. They wipe their ass with it. It's funny how you bring up bungling Afghanistan, the economy, unemployment, etc etc, as if those things were great before Obama was elected (hot using that as an Obama defense, he is also the problem). What would Santorum do to improve those things? Pray upon it and censor us?

Santorum doesn't want government anywhere except the bedroom. He can seriously fuck himself.

You can't be this ignorant?

Me? Look in the mirror. I'm not a Santorum guy by any stretch....but come on....you still want to keep blaming Bush ? You want to be an Obama apologist? If Bush's policies caused a recession, then Obama blew the recovery. Afghanistan is getting worse by the day. God knows what the deficit would have been had not the "Rs" dug in their heels. His signature piece of legislation was based on a lie. He has done nothing that will ease the prices at the pumps not now or in the future.
And you are worried about a social conservative?....while the guy in there now steals from your wallet and from your posterity.

The support for Santorum is blowback from the government policies that have attacked the traditional family and the values of religious Americans for years...and have accelerated under this administration. I'm tired of the tolerance by some for people who hate America and burn the flag in protest, yet have intolerance for the people who love America and the flag, and whose sole 'fault' is that they believe in god and adhere to Christian values that are as old as the country itself. These people are, in general, good law abiding citizens who deserve representation just like any other American. They don't deserve to be be treated as backwater rubes and ignorant country bumpkins as they have been portrayed by the liberal elite on this thread and other threads on this very forum.

I'm not a democrat or an Obama supporter. I'm a member of the common sense party. I believe Bush had good intentions, but sucked as a president. I believe Obama has good intentions, but sucks as a president.

I believe Santorum is legitimately insane, and the people that he appeals to only convince me of that even more.

http://news.yahoo.com/rick-santorum-momentarily-distracted-two-men-kissing-190000669.html

lol at the "USA" chant. What the fuck does that even mean in that situation?

Banning videos because they go against your personal beliefs. How very conservative and small government of him.

Again...not a Santorum supporter here...but what was 'posted to his website' was

I proudly support the efforts of the War on Illegal Pornography Coalition that has tirelessly fought to get federal obscenity laws enforced.

Is not the same as saying he will propose new legislation that will 'ban' internet pornography.

At worst, he is no worse that the leftist nanny state elitists who wish to protect us from everything from cigarettes to trans fats and beyond.

I keep hearing that Sanrorum is insane....and comments of that sort. Well let's hear what you mean specifically about that.
Don't just tell me...give me some proof.

By far, He's not my ideal candidate. But I think he' s no worse than the leftists in terms of government legislating what should be left to the individual.

HitsRus;1119939 wrote:Again...not a Santorum supporter here...but what was 'posted to his website' was


Is not the same as saying he will propose new legislation that will 'ban' internet pornography.

At worst, he is no worse that the leftist nanny state elitists who wish to protect us from everything from cigarettes to trans fats and beyond.

I keep hearing that Sanrorum is insane....and comments of that sort. Well let's hear what you mean specifically about that.
Don't just tell me...give me some proof.

By far, He's not my ideal candidate. But I think he' s no worse than the leftists in terms of government legislating what should be left to the individual.

Believing you're a snob if you think people should be able to go to college if they want to is insane.
He believes Obama wants to remake the youth of America in his image... I don't even know wtf that means. That's insane.
Believing that apologizing for the improper handling of Islamic holy books is akin to surrender is insane.
Claiming to be a "true conservative" yet wanting to limit which people can marry and what people can look at online is insane.
He wants to reinstate Don't Ask, Don't tell. That's insane.
He wants to outlaw contraception. That is insane.
He believes the reason social security is in trouble is because of abortion... insane.

HitsRus;1119874 wrote:Me? Look in the mirror. I'm not a Santorum guy by any stretch....but come on....you still want to keep blaming Bush ? You want to be an Obama apologist? If Bush's policies caused a recession, then Obama blew the recovery. Afghanistan is getting worse by the day. God knows what the deficit would have been had not the "Rs" dug in their heels. His signature piece of legislation was based on a lie. He has done nothing that will ease the prices at the pumps not now or in the future.
And you are worried about a social conservative?....while the guy in there now steals from your wallet and from your posterity.

The support for Santorum is blowback from the government policies that have attacked the traditional family and the values of religious Americans for years...and have accelerated under this administration. I'm tired of the tolerance by some for people who hate America and burn the flag in protest, yet have intolerance for the people who love America and the flag, and whose sole 'fault' is that they believe in god and adhere to Christian values that are as old as the country itself. These people are, in general, good law abiding citizens who deserve representation just like any other American. They don't deserve to be be treated as backwater rubes and ignorant country bumpkins as they have been portrayed by the liberal elite on this thread and other threads on this very forum.

Very comical.

1. If you actually read dwc's post, he wasn't being an Obama apologist. He basically compared Obama to Bush, said they both ignore the Constitution and simply said that some problems Obama's failed to deal with existed before him. Nice diatribe, but it'd be better if you showed a bit of basic reading comprehension before entering "LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE!!!!" crazy mode.

2. Your second paragraph is hilarious hypocrisy. So easy, so very easy to regularly trash anything the left does as wrong, stupid, flawed, corrupt, etc...but the second someone says anything about someone on the right, we get this longwinded "these are perfect icons of what Americans should be all about AND YOU PEOPLE DARE TO MAKE THEM LOOK BAD!!!!" rant. No dignity. No pride. No moment of self-realization.

pointing out hypocrisy is hypocritical itself...is that your point?

As for reading comprehension...I suggest you go get some tutoring at Sylvan yourself. I never pointed to the evangelical right and called them 'perfect icons', I merely asked that their views be tolerated....views that really are nothing new.

The line about going to college shouldn't be on the list. He isn't saying people shouldn't be allowed to go to college. Lets be honest some people aren't cut out for it and he was pointing out that you didn't have to go to college to make something of yourself. He was saying that you don't have to sit through lectures from liberal professors to be enlightened in life. It was really a hard position to be in after Obama made his everyone should be able to go to college statement. It makes Obama look better when it really shouldn't have. I'm not a big Santorum guy but I can't put this on the list of crazy things he has said.

Derek...I appreciate you attempt at 'proof'...but it falls short.

Now here is what Santorum said about the Koran burning.

Santorum said that the burning of Korans was not an intentional act..

“There was nothing deliberately done wrong here. This was something that
happened as a mistake. Killing Americans in uniform is not a mistake, ” said
Santorum. “Say it’s unfortunate…but to apologize for something that was not an
intentional act is something that the president of the United States in my
opinion should not have done.”

He was also commenting on 2 Americans that were killed by an Afghan soldier. Something we did not receive an 'apology' for.

While you might not agree, ...a little over the top to say that's insane.

Maybe you could say he's a little insensitive to the locals and their feelings towards their religion....not like our government ever does anything insensitive to our own religious people. Maybe Obama needs to apologize to Catholics? Not gonna happen. Maybe even more insensitive is wisking away an American military man who shot 16 innocent Afghan villagers. Now there is something that deserves an apology.

bigdaddy2003;1120025 wrote:The line about going to college shouldn't be on the list. He isn't saying people shouldn't be allowed to go to college. Lets be honest some people aren't cut out for it and he was pointing out that you didn't have to go to college to make something of yourself. He was saying that you don't have to sit through lectures from liberal professors to be enlightened in life. It was really a hard position to be in after Obama made his everyone should be able to go to college statement. It makes Obama look better when it really shouldn't have. I'm not a big Santorum guy but I can't put this on the list of crazy things he has said.

Everyone should be able to go to college, so long as they want to. That was Obama's point. He's never said everyone needs to go to college and sit through a liberal lecture. He's said that trade schools and community colleges have their place as well. He encourages people to get more education, but doesn't force it upon them... and for that, he's a snob.

HitsRus;1120032 wrote:Derek...I appreciate you attempt at 'proof'...but it falls short.

Now here is what Santorum said about the Koran burning.

Santorum said that the burning of Korans was not an intentional act..

He was also commenting on 2 Americans that were killed by an Afghan soldier. Something we did not receive an 'apology' for.

While you might not agree, ...a little over the top to say that's insane.

Maybe you could say he's a little insensitive to the locals and their feelings towards their religion....not like our government ever does anything insensitive to our own religious people. Maybe Obama needs to apologize to Catholics? Not gonna happen. Maybe even more insensitive is wisking away an American military man who shot 16 innocent Afghan villagers. Now there is something that deserves an apology.

k, so you don't agree with that one. Do you think outlawing contraception is sane?

I bet Santorum has only had sex 7 times in his life.

On gays in the military...again you might not agree with his views and his call for a rturn to Don't ask don't tell...but this was the policy for years...and we were not insane.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/santorum-clarifies-don-t-ask-don-t-tell-162001114.html

Rick Santorum does not want to outlaw contraception...he doesn't want governmnet to be able to mandate anything that goes against a person's/employer/entity conscience.

"I'm reflecting the views of the church that I believe in," he said. "We used to be tolerant of those beliefs. I guess now when you have beliefs that are consistent with the church, somehow, now you're out of the mainstream, and that to me is a pretty sad situation when you can't have personal held beliefs. But that's not the issue -- the issue is whether the government can force you to do things that are against your conscience, and that's what we've been talking about on the road. We haven't been talking about my own personal beliefs."

He is not talking about banning contraception...he is talking about Catholic entities being forced to provide insurance coverage for it.

HitsRus;1120059 wrote:Rick Santorum does not want to outlaw contraception...he doesn't want governmnet to be able to mandate anything that goes against a person's/employer/entity conscience.



He is not talking about banning contraception...he is talking about Catholic entities being forced to provide insurance coverage for it.

he's actually said he wants states to have the ability to outlaw contraception.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/santorum-explains-06-loss-still-supports-state-right-to-outlaw-contraception/

Now, you can hide behind the "its a states rights issue he's talking about" but you and me both know that he wants it outlawed, and he would if he could govern everyone's morality based off of his own interpretation of it. He's a fucking loon.

BGFalcons82;1119711 wrote:I'm not a huge Romney fan, but I an not falling for the Ronulan Paulbotoid definition of him being Obama-Lite. He has some solid cinservative ideas and has vowed to repeal ObamaKare. He's no Obama. Not even close.

I hope you're right.

Although early on I was going to vote for Paul in the primary, I ended up pulling the lever for Santorum here in Tennessee to (a) annoy the Paulbotoids and (b) Santorum is the closest overall Repub to my political views. I think Santorum plays the right-wing hyperbole game a little too much and he has no chance of gaining the nomination.

Romney reminds me too much of the McCain/Dole style Repubs and for some reason, he rubs me the wrong way. Can't quite put a finger on it except he's only a tad more to the right than BHO.

I'll vote for him over Obama in a heart beat...but I still don't see much difference.