Archive Soldier Kills Afghan Civilians

1_beast

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Mar 13, 2012 3:00pm

DeyDurkie5;1114908 wrote:LOL

its not laughing matter.....this is SERIOUS BUSINESS

DeadliestWarrior34

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Mar 13, 2012 10:16pm

DeyDurkie5;1113646 wrote:afghan's vow revenge on US

oh shit

disgunbegood

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I Wear Pants

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Mar 13, 2012 10:58pm

Oh look, another reason we shouldn't be there. Shocking.

dwccrew

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Mar 14, 2012 6:55am

Belly35;1114825 wrote:Fear, death and destruction, anxiety, frustration and anger adding in time and physical stress can only lead to the demise of the most important thread a soldier has…… for self control … “emotion”. I have seen and felt that feeling of non-emotion state. It is not a place where you want to go, it a scary vision.
Blame who? To long in the field? Some guys live in the field others crumble quickly. Someone should have been watching? Watching what? Take a rubber band a pull it .. When will it snap and what point is there no return to normal?
Excuses will be weak, reasoning will be worthless and blame skewed … there is not answer

It is a sad situation 16 innocent dead and 1 hero lost forever

How is this guy a hero? Just because he signed up to be in the military? You have to serve honorably to be a hero, this guy couldn't do that.

Belly35

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Mar 14, 2012 7:50am

dwccrew;1115728 wrote:How is this guy a hero? Just because he signed up to be in the military? You have to serve honorably to be a hero, this guy couldn't do that.

"1 hero lost forever" does the words "lost forever" say anything to you? Did you read beyond "hero"?

This guy "tour of duty" (three tours I think) makes him a hero too many and an honorable soldier to others. To the other soldiers and their family member of those he has served with, saved their lives and suffered the horrors of war to many of them and to many American he is a hero, who knew “that” guy and will be remember him that way. What happen in those moments that lead up to his action and what proceeded we will never know the reason but "that" guy is what many will remember now? “Lost Forever”</SPAN>

I wish I could take some of you for a week into a hot zone, pop an ambush, disarm a trap, go down a tunnel and walk point .. then you may understand what happens to you, your emotions, mentality, physically and your life. </SPAN>

mcburg93

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Mar 14, 2012 8:06am

Belly35;1115748 wrote:"1 hero lost forever" does the words "lost forever" say anything to you? Did you read beyond "hero"?

This guy "tour of duty" (three tours I think) makes him a hero too many and an honorable soldier to others. To the other soldiers and their family member of those he has served with, saved their lives and suffered the horrors of war to many of them and to many American he is a hero, who knew “that” guy and will be remember him that way. What happen in those moments that lead up to his action and what proceeded we will never know the reason but "that" guy is what many will remember now? “Lost Forever”

I wish I could take some of you for a week into a hot zone, pop an ambush, disarm a trap, go down a tunnel and walk point .. then you may understand what happens to you, your emotions, mentality, physically and your life.

Well said belly. I lived with a father that went through this stuff you talk of and it wasnt pleasant to do. As a kid I heard things when his and his buddies got together for their yearly gathering. None of them were ever right in the head. One of them ended his life cause not being able to handle things. My dad had several break downs through the years. I know he has nightmares still to this day. Im not saying any of it is a reason for this guys meltdown. The stresses they live through everyday has to be immense knowing that one of the guys walking around you, could be an enemy.

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wkfan

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Mar 14, 2012 8:33am

Belly35;1115748 wrote:"1 hero lost forever" does the words "lost forever" say anything to you? Did you read beyond "hero"?

This guy "tour of duty" (three tours I think) makes him a hero too many and an honorable soldier to others. To the other soldiers and their family member of those he has served with, saved their lives and suffered the horrors of war to many of them and to many American he is a hero, who knew “that” guy and will be remember him that way. What happen in those moments that lead up to his action and what proceeded we will never know the reason but "that" guy is what many will remember now? “Lost Forever”</SPAN>

I wish I could take some of you for a week into a hot zone, pop an ambush, disarm a trap, go down a tunnel and walk point .. then you may understand what happens to you, your emotions, mentality, physically and your life. </SPAN>

While I cannot fathom the stress and difficulty of what you are talking about since I never served, I still think that this guy un-did all of the 'hero' stuff that he did by this heinious and cowardly act.

I get the PTSD issues and completely understand that it is a real affliction, however there is no reason to kill that many people including children as a result. if the ghosts running around in his head were so bad (and I have no reason to think otherwise), then why not recognize the feelings within yourself and seek help??

I'm sorry for what has happened mentally to him and to others who have served, but there are other avenues for help. He chose the wrong one.

Belly35

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Mar 14, 2012 8:56am

wkfan;1115769 wrote:While I cannot fathom the stress and difficulty of what you are talking about since I never served, I still think that this guy un-did all of the 'hero' stuff that he did by this heinious and cowardly act.

I get the PTSD issues and completely understand that it is a real affliction, however there is no reason to kill that many people including children as a result. if the ghosts running around in his head were so bad (and I have no reason to think otherwise), then why not recognize the feelings within yourself and seek help??

I'm sorry for what has happened mentally to him and to others who have served, but there are other avenues for help. He chose the wrong one.

Agreed and "Lost forever"

Belly35

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Mar 14, 2012 8:57am

mcburg93;1115756 wrote:Well said belly. I lived with a father that went through this stuff you talk of and it wasnt pleasant to do. As a kid I heard things when his and his buddies got together for their yearly gathering. None of them were ever right in the head. One of them ended his life cause not being able to handle things. My dad had several break downs through the years. I know he has nightmares still to this day. Im not saying any of it is a reason for this guys meltdown. The stresses they live through everyday has to be immense knowing that one of the guys walking around you, could be an enemy.

Someday soom I hope to have the honor maybe to shake your dads hand

Ytowngirlinfla

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Mar 14, 2012 9:50am

wkfan;1115769 wrote:While I cannot fathom the stress and difficulty of what you are talking about since I never served, I still think that this guy un-did all of the 'hero' stuff that he did by this heinious and cowardly act.

I get the PTSD issues and completely understand that it is a real affliction, however there is no reason to kill that many people including children as a result. if the ghosts running around in his head were so bad (and I have no reason to think otherwise), then why not recognize the feelings within yourself and seek help??

I'm sorry for what has happened mentally to him and to others who have served, but there are other avenues for help. He chose the wrong one.

He is definitely not a hero. He will never be considered a hero by anyone from the military. Unless you are honorably discharged from the military, you are not ha hero. Yeah he served 4 tours but he signed up for it. If you can't handle it then you go tell someone and they send you for help. Trust me I saw this happen a handful of times during my deployment. People just couldn't handle the stress, they go to medical and boom they are sent off the ship.

Maybe his personal life was crumbling and that caused him to do this but man up and get help. And I know they preach to us about getting help if something is wrong.

dwccrew

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Mar 14, 2012 2:16pm

Belly35;1115748 wrote:"1 hero lost forever" does the words "lost forever" say anything to you? Did you read beyond "hero"?

This guy "tour of duty" (three tours I think) makes him a hero too many and an honorable soldier to others. To the other soldiers and their family member of those he has served with, saved their lives and suffered the horrors of war to many of them and to many American he is a hero, who knew “that” guy and will be remember him that way. What happen in those moments that lead up to his action and what proceeded we will never know the reason but "that" guy is what many will remember now? “Lost Forever”

I wish I could take some of you for a week into a hot zone, pop an ambush, disarm a trap, go down a tunnel and walk point .. then you may understand what happens to you, your emotions, mentality, physically and your life.

Such a fucking stupid statement. All the other soldiers that have served honorably and did not have to massacre civilians are heroes, not this guy. Get off your soapbox Belly, you act as if you are the only one on here that has served in a combat zone or has combat experience, you are not. I was in Iraq for a tour in 2007, I didn't shoot any civilians as I'm sure others that served like Tiger2003, Glory Days, etc did not.

The fact that you consider him a "hero" lost forever further proves your ignorance. He was a criminal that posed himself off as a soldier, he is no hero and never was, he is a coward.

Tiger2003

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Mar 14, 2012 2:30pm

Ytowngirlinfla;1115837 wrote:Trust me I saw this happen a handful of times during my deployment. People just couldn't handle the stress, they go to medical and boom they are sent off the ship.

Please don't compare what you did on ship to this Soldier. There is nothing stressful about sitting on a ship.

And no Im not defending this guys at all.

Tiger2003

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Mar 14, 2012 2:36pm

Was this guy a hero after his first successful tours? Yes. Is he now a hero? Absolutely not. He should be sentenced to death. I don't care that it happened on foreign soil he is a murder.

DeyDurkie5

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Mar 14, 2012 2:39pm

Tiger2003;1116111 wrote:Was this guy a hero after his first successful tours? Yes. Is he now a hero? Absolutely not. He should be sentenced to death. I don't care that it happened on foreign soil he is a murder.

He as a hero for doing a job?

Tiger2003

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Mar 14, 2012 2:45pm

DeyDurkie5;1116118 wrote:He as a hero for doing a job?

After doing 3 or 4 tours yes I looks at you as a hero. I also look at alot of public service people as heroic people.

Ytowngirlinfla

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Mar 14, 2012 4:22pm

Tiger2003;1116101 wrote:Please don't compare what you did on ship to this Soldier. There is nothing stressful about sitting on a ship.

And no Im not defending this guys at all.

Oh please you are a fucking idiot. So sitting 10 miles off of Iran for 4 months having small boats come after you will RPGs and AK47's constantly and standing 24/7 watches on a 50 cal isn't stressful? Just because you were on the ground doesn't mean being on a ship isn't stressful. You have no idea so don't fucking judge.

Fab1b

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Mar 14, 2012 4:28pm

Tiger2003;1116101 wrote:Please don't compare what you did on ship to this Soldier. There is nothing stressful about sitting on a ship.

And no Im not defending this guys at all.

Tiger Navy vet here 2 deployments in the Persian Gulf on a ship and Ytown is correct, you don't have a fucking clue! Not saying the ground isn't more stressful just saying if you haven't been a part of the ship life in the Navy then don't speak to it!

2kool4skool

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Mar 14, 2012 4:41pm

Why is there even a need to defend the guy? How does this discussion not go "he killed innocent people including children, rot in hell"???

Saying one military member is a scumbag who deserves to be put to death is in no way a reflection of all military personnel. The need of the usual suspects to justify his actions, or frame him in a more positive light than need be, is what makes military members perhaps seem out of touch and/or guided by blind allegiance.

You don't need to have the exact life experiences of a criminal to have the authority to condemn their crimes. I was never molested by a creepy uncle, but I can condemn serial killers(most of which suffered sexual abuse at a young age.)

Fab1b

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Mar 14, 2012 4:43pm

For the record I think this guy should be put to death!

Heretic

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Mar 14, 2012 5:06pm

2kool4skool;1116287 wrote:Why is there even a need to defend the guy? How does this discussion not go "he killed innocent people including children, rot in hell"???

Saying one military member is a scumbag who deserves to be put to death is in no way a reflection of all military personnel. The need of the usual suspects to justify his actions, or frame him in a more positive light than need be, is what makes military members perhaps seem out of touch and/or guided by blind allegiance.

You don't need to have the exact life experiences of a criminal to have the authority to condemn their crimes. I was never molested by a creepy uncle, but I can condemn serial killers(most of which suffered sexual abuse at a young age.)

This. Every profession, no matter how noble it is (or is perceived to be), will have a certain number of nuts. Condemning them is not an indictment of that profession as a whole. The "walk a mile in their shoes" rationalization for these acts is pure weak sauce and really very little different than people defending a random serial killer because he had a bad childhood.

Skyhook79

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Mar 14, 2012 5:10pm

Fab1b;1116289 wrote:For the record I think this guy should be put to death!

How do you know he wasn't following orders. Haven't you seen "A Few Good Men"? or can't you handle the Truth?

Fab1b

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Mar 14, 2012 5:13pm

Ok we can go that route, if that was the case then I would retract that and his superiors would need to be evaluated on why that was carried out. That would make me think the people killed would have been targets for some reason!

Tiger2003

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Mar 14, 2012 5:31pm

Ytowngirlinfla;1116269 wrote:Oh please you are a fucking idiot. So sitting 10 miles off of Iran for 4 months having small boats come after you will RPGs and AK47's constantly and standing 24/7 watches on a 50 cal isn't stressful? Just because you were on the ground doesn't mean being on a ship isn't stressful. You have no idea so don't fucking judge.

Hahahahahahaha

Tiger2003

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Mar 14, 2012 5:35pm

Fab1b;1116274 wrote:Tiger Navy vet here 2 deployments in the Persian Gulf on a ship and Ytown is correct, you don't have a fucking clue! Not saying the ground isn't more stressful just saying if you haven't been a part of the ship life in the Navy then don't speak to it!

I am just going off of a source from my family. He thought Ytown answer was pretty damn funny. Not saying ship life isn't a little stressful but to cry about it and get sent home you have to be kidding me. Fab I got tones of respect for you and the Navy and what you guys do. But to cry about ship life saying it's to stressful to handle its crazy.

Ytowngirlinfla

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Mar 14, 2012 5:54pm

Tiger2003;1116347 wrote:I am just going off of a source from my family. He thought Ytown answer was pretty damn funny. Not saying ship life isn't a little stressful but to cry about it and get sent home you have to be kidding me. Fab I got tones of respect for you and the Navy and what you guys do. But to cry about ship life saying it's to stressful to handle its crazy.

Who is fucking crying about it? Not me. You still have no idea what any person in the Navy goes through being deployed on a ship. You obviously think ground troops are the only ones that do anything. Give me a fucking break.