centralbucksfan;1087070 wrote:I don't totally disagree with you. Sully could slip, who knows. Again, team needs play a big part in draft. But for someone to make a statement like he is dropping out of the top 10 for no apparent reason at all, or nothing to back it up, is a stretch. At least you are reasonable.

What don't you understand?

I said he is slipping out of the top ten.

He was a top 3 pick.

He is now 5-8.

That is slipping. And I don't need reasons, im simply stating that going from 3 to 5-8 means he's slipping.

I don't know where Sullinger fits in regard to playing in the NBA, I don't think that he can play center (not tall enough) and he looks awfully slow to play anywhere else. He is a good college player but not a great athlete, how good of a NBA player he'll be is very much in question. I think that he can play at that level but I don't see him being a star or being worthy of a lottery pick. He needs to stay in school and continue to work on his perimeter game. As for Thomas, he doesn't have the skill level right now to play in the NBA. Still can't play defense and doesn't shoot the ball from the perimeter that well as he will play the 3 spot in the NBA. Buford, I don't see him on an NBA roster, his inconsistancy shooting will not be tolerated at that level and he turns the ball over a lot. I think that the Buckeye talent level on this team is a little over rated and will probably bow out of the tournement at the sweet sixteen level because of poor outside shooting. The defense is pretty good but they shoot in the mid 30 percent from the field too often. Matta has not done a good job of developing the younger guys on this team and as a result has no depth and Ravenel is f------ horrible, he is eating up minutes that should have gone to Amir Williams who at least has some potential.

SportsAndLady;1087136 wrote:What don't you understand?

I said he is slipping out of the top ten.

He was a top 3 pick.

He is now 5-8.

That is slipping. And I don't need reasons, im simply stating that going from 3 to 5-8 means he's slipping.

WRONG again according to this article and a SCOUT of NBA. Of course I am sure YOU know more than he does! lol

http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/ben_glicksman/02/15/nba.draft.prospects/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a3

"Barnes, Sullinger and those guys are still falling in the same range that they probably would've last year," one scout said. "They're still in that three to six or seven range."

centralbucksfan;1087449 wrote:WRONG again according to this article and a SCOUT of NBA. Of course I am sure YOU know more than he does! lol

http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/ben_glicksman/02/15/nba.draft.prospects/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a3

"Barnes, Sullinger and those guys are still falling in the same range that they probably would've last year," one scout said. "They're still in that three to six or seven range."

"Six or seven range.." lol

He was a top 4 pick last year. Again proving my point.

Sully gone and Thomas stays.

Props to Willy B for reppin' OSU for 4 years. He could have bounced a long time ago.

SportsAndLady;1087479 wrote:"Six or seven range.." lol

He was a top 4 pick last year. Again proving my point.

Obviously, you can't read. Proving your point? I have proved you wrong multiple times here. With facts. WTF is wrong with you? Just admit, YOU are WRONG and move on. Care to make a wager that Sully will NOT fall out of the top 10?

Did you guys ever think that the reason Sully stayed (and thus any chance he would stay another year) is because he knows that his greatest accomplishments will probably be at the college level? I think he'll turn out to be a good pro (ceiling is a Kevin Love-type who rebounds, shoots well, and scores well in the post without being too athletic and his floor is a Glen Davis/DeJuan Blair type who still makes a contribution in a rotation) but he has a chance to be one of OSU's greatest players (if he isn't already) and win a national championship. It's not like he's one of those guys who would leave because of a desperate need for money (cough "Byron" cough). As a comparison JJ Redick and Tyler Hansbrough both were great college players pretty much since their freshman years, both stayed all 4 years, both were still lottery picks, both are having nice NBA careers. What's wrong with that?

He was a top 4 pick last year. Again proving my point.

In a mock draft before being evaluated, measured, and scrutinized up close by NBA people.Nobody knows where Sullinger would have been drafted last year.............This year's mock drafts have him going anywhere from 5 to 11. But, he hasn't gotten up close with the NBA people yet.Mock drafts are guesses and don't really matter.

Prescott;1087566 wrote:In a mock draft before being evaluated, measured, and scrutinized up close by NBA people.Nobody knows where Sullinger would have been drafted last year.............This year's mock drafts have him going anywhere from 5 to 11. But, he hasn't gotten up close with the NBA people yet.Mock drafts are guesses and don't really matter.

Correct. But what a scout says, knowing what they know since that is their job, there is some credibility to that.

centralbucksfan;1087592 wrote:Correct. But what a scout says, knowing what they know since that is their job, there is some credibility to that.

How'd those scout views work on Sam Bowie?

All relative. He had/has the ability to be much, much better. There are many player with much less ability doing much better.

Really?? That is complete opinion on your part. The fact is that his ability got him a nice contract. Nobody can say with any certainty that his situation would be better had he stayed in college for another 1 or 2 years.

Prescott;1087770 wrote:Really?? That is complete opinion on your part. The fact is that his ability got him a nice contract. Nobody can say with any certainty that his situation would be better had he stayed in college for another 1 or 2 years.

I'd say the odds are, that a player would improve, thus improving his stock. KU Robinson is a prime example of that this year. He was no where near a top 5 pick if he came out last year. This year, he is. So ya, really.

wildcats20;1087737 wrote:How'd those scout views work on Sam Bowie?

Uh, I think injuries had something to do with Bowie. Not a great example. But I know where your coming from. That being said, Sully is a lock for top 10 pick and is NOT slipping out of the top 10. There is nothing anywhere to back up that ridiculous statement. On top of that, I would listen to what an NBA scout says over what sportslady makes up. lol

centralbucksfan;1087860 wrote:I'd say the odds are, that a player would improve, thus improving his stock. KU Robinson is a prime example of that this year. He was no where near a top 5 pick if he came out last year. This year, he is. So ya, really.

Players stocks go down to. Buford, Terrance Jones, Bracey Wright, Singler, McRoberts.

Your example is a bad one because Robinson didnt get to be seen. Sullinger did, as he was a starter on a 1 seed and in the NPOY race.

centralbucksfan;1087860 wrote:I'd say the odds are, that a player would improve, thus improving his stock. KU Robinson is a prime example of that this year. He was no where near a top 5 pick if he came out last year. This year, he is. So ya, really.

Terrible comparison; Robinson didn't see many minutes last year being behind two top 15 picks. Besides, even if T-Rob did come out last year (which he actually was close to doing--for financial reasons and all the deaths in the family) he was projected to be a late first early second pick.