killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Feb 6, 2012 4:26pm
Y-Town Steelhound;1077481 wrote:I mean he was sacked 6 times in the NFC championship, 3 times last night. Both have played with pro bowlers, but Ben has played with guys like Faneca and Pouncey.
I would guess the O-lines would be pretty close to a push. Ben is the more mobile one however, so he can make up for his offensive line some of the time.
The 49ers have a very good defense so I didn't consider those 6 sacks as an indicator of how good/bad the NYG o-line was. I mean, the Steelers pulled Max Starks off a couch to protect Ben's blindside for several games this season. LOL
If you're saying it's a push...I'll take your word for it.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Feb 6, 2012 4:30pm
Career INT's
Eli - 129
Ben - 100
Eli - 129
Ben - 100
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Feb 6, 2012 4:59pm
Stat wise its hard to tell. Oh wait its not. Eli is the better playoff QB.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Feb 6, 2012 5:16pm
If going strictly by record how is 8-4 better than 10-3?j_crazy;1077626 wrote:Stat wise its hard to tell. Oh wait its not. Eli is the better playoff QB.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Feb 6, 2012 5:21pm
I must not be going strictly by their record.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Feb 6, 2012 5:25pm
Automatik;1077639 wrote:If going strictly by record how is 8-4 better than 10-3?
Ben is 10-4 in the postseason (New England, Jacksonville, Green Bay, Denver). Almost identical winning percentage with a slight edge to Eli. Toss-up IMO.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Feb 6, 2012 5:27pm
Their stats are pretty similar, except that Ben has more than doubled up Eli regarding INTs.j_crazy;1077641 wrote:I must not be going strictly by their record.
Ben also has 3 rushing TDs while Eli has none.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Feb 6, 2012 5:41pm
Eli.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Feb 6, 2012 5:44pm
Eli is 8-3 in the postseason.killer_ewok;1077646 wrote:Ben is 10-4 in the postseason (New England, Jacksonville, Green Bay, Denver). Almost identical winning percentage with a slight edge to Eli. Toss-up IMO.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Feb 6, 2012 6:01pm
Skyhook79;1077673 wrote:Eli is 8-3 in the postseason.
Yes...and that's why Eli's winning pct. in the postseason is a little better.
Enforcer
Posts: 2,140
Feb 6, 2012 9:23pm
I'll take Eli because Hes not injured as much
scoreboard
Posts: 326
Feb 7, 2012 2:46am
Ben usually proves that in the ladies room though.Automatik;1077430 wrote:Can't go wrong with either really. They both have proven they can come from behind and win when it matters most. Eli just did it one more time.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 7, 2012 2:47am
LOL at Pittsburgh homers picking Ben...
Super Bowl performances, nuff said
Super Bowl performances, nuff said
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 7, 2012 7:19am
I'm surprised that Eli has that many more. I think some of that comes from pitt's style early in Roethlisberger's career. He would sometimes only throw 14 times a game and they'd win because of their awesome defense and rushing attack. However that doesn't explain 30 more INTs.killer_ewok;1077583 wrote:Career INT's
Eli - 129
Ben - 100
I'd still take Eli. Roethlisberger's style leads to more injuries, think Eli is a better teammate and captain, think he has a better arm, and I think he is a better cerebral player.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Feb 7, 2012 7:56am
Which team's O-line?
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Gblock
Feb 7, 2012 8:21am
lol at people picking eli the giants were 8-8 this year?? but not for two fumbled kickoffs they didnt beat the 49ers
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Feb 7, 2012 8:45am
hoops23;1078009 wrote:LOL at Pittsburgh homers picking Ben...
Super Bowl performances, nuff said
#1. If it's that clear cut then why did someone start the thread in the first place? Are you going to call them out for starting the discussion/debate?
#2. Although I'm surprised by how rational some of the Browns fans are being...they're probably not the most objective bunch to be asking this question either. I admitted that there's some bias on my end.
I don't have any problem with people picking Eli...but I do think it's up for debate.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Feb 7, 2012 8:52am
Gblock;1078074 wrote:lol at people picking eli the giants were 8-8 this year?? but not for two fumbled kickoffs they didnt beat the 49ers
And if Vanderjagt doesn't miss the FG in the '05 AFC Championship game, Ben might have only one ring and we aren't having this discussion.
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Gblock
Feb 7, 2012 9:18am
big difference between missing a 44 yard field goal to two fourth quarter fumbles and the giants were still 8-8 this yearGoChiefs;1078089 wrote:And if Vanderjagt doesn't miss the FG in the '05 AFC Championship game, Ben might have only one ring and we aren't having this discussion.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Feb 7, 2012 9:22am
If it wasn't for Big Ben making a game saving tackle on the Bettis fumble the steelers don't win either. Also the Giants were 9-7 this year.Gblock;1078101 wrote:big difference between missing a 44 yard field goal to two fourth quarter fumbles and the giants were still 8-8 this year
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Feb 7, 2012 9:23am
they were 9-7 and didn't get beat by Tebow. Nuff said.Gblock;1078101 wrote:big difference between missing a 44 yard field goal to two fourth quarter fumbles and the giants were still 8-8 this year
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Gblock
Feb 7, 2012 9:23am
9-7 i stand corrected
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Feb 7, 2012 9:44am
Gblock;1078110 wrote:9-7 i stand corrected
With probably a tougher schedule as well.
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Feb 7, 2012 10:14am
Eli has more attempts, so naturally he's going to have more INT's.Commander of Awesome;1078043 wrote:I'm surprised that Eli has that many more.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Feb 7, 2012 10:19am
Good point. It's like 700 more attempts. Ben throws about 1 pick for every 30 passes, that would add 25 more Int's to Ben total.Y-Town Steelhound;1078182 wrote:Eli has more attempts, so naturally he's going to have more INT's.