BearBoy69
Posts: 291
Feb 3, 2012 1:49am
After being suspended in '03 for drugs/alcohol he was seen in a bar relapsing. Why would anyone throw away that kind of talent which you are making a fortune off of? I like him. Its a shame to see this
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Feb 3, 2012 2:16am
Life fail
BCBulldog
Posts: 824
Feb 3, 2012 2:20am
Very sad story, but not entirely unexpected. He is an addict.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Feb 3, 2012 7:00am
Poor guy. Hope he shakes it off because it's been amazing to watch him defeat the past to become one of baseball's best players like we all thought he would become
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Feb 3, 2012 9:33am
Luckily I have never known someone who was in rehab or an addict. Does one time out like this lead to a total relapse sometimes? Or do you think it is similiar to maybe a person who used to be really fat going out and eating alot of bad food one day and then be able to just shake it off?
I did this in 2009, and hope this doesnt get the best of him.
I did this in 2009, and hope this doesnt get the best of him.
BearBoy69
Posts: 291
Feb 3, 2012 9:39am
I'm hoping he just shakes it off. But i think Alcoholism is more severe. I know sometimes eating disorders are diseases too, but when you start drinking you can't stop.thavoice;1074191 wrote:Luckily I have never known someone who was in rehab or an addict. Does one time out like this lead to a total relapse sometimes? Or do you think it is similiar to maybe a person who used to be really fat going out and eating alot of bad food one day and then be able to just shake it off?
I did this in 2009, and hope this doesnt get the best of him.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 3, 2012 9:42am
Meh, he did this about 3-4 years ago, and he turned out to be fine. His condition isn't as bad as it once was.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Feb 3, 2012 9:43am
Depends on your beliefs. Most people in America, thanks to AA, believe once an addict, the only way live is complete abstinence. However, in Europe they believe in controlled moderation.thavoice;1074191 wrote:Luckily I have never known someone who was in rehab or an addict. Does one time out like this lead to a total relapse sometimes? Or do you think it is similiar to maybe a person who used to be really fat going out and eating alot of bad food one day and then be able to just shake it off?
I did this in 2009, and hope this doesnt get the best of him.
So it depends on your view and the kind of help you're getting.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Feb 3, 2012 9:44am
yaeh i was referecning those who had eating disorders and were addicted to food.
I imagine AA throws out statistics on what percentage of alcholics who think they can go out once and awhile and drink and be ok but relapse totally.
I imagine AA throws out statistics on what percentage of alcholics who think they can go out once and awhile and drink and be ok but relapse totally.
BearBoy69
Posts: 291
Feb 3, 2012 9:55am
Yeah, this could all be people that saw him in a bar, immediately recognized him, and blew it outta proportion.thavoice;1074202 wrote:yaeh i was referecning those who had eating disorders and were addicted to food.
I imagine AA throws out statistics on what percentage of alcholics who think they can go out once and awhile and drink and be ok but relapse totally.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Feb 3, 2012 10:48am
It will be interesting to see what ML baseball does about this. He could be suspended for violating his program. If I'm not mistaken, I believe he's in the last year of his contract as well. This could hurt him in FA.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Feb 3, 2012 11:10am
This. I've known people who were certified alcoholics, drank a bottle of liquor everyday, who now continue to drink, but have learned moderation. Sometimes things can just "click", and an person who once was an addict, can control the vice they once had.like_that;1074200 wrote:Meh, he did this about 3-4 years ago, and he turned out to be fine. His condition isn't as bad as it once was.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Feb 3, 2012 11:29am
Do not know about the MLB ramifications on this, but as far as it hurting him in the FA market. Well, if he puts up great numbers, plays well then I think it wont affect it much at all.royal_k;1074253 wrote:It will be interesting to see what ML baseball does about this. He could be suspended for violating his program. If I'm not mistaken, I believe he's in the last year of his contract as well. This could hurt him in FA.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Feb 3, 2012 12:37pm
Yeah, on Yahoo, Jeff Passan had a column about this. Texas is leery about throwing big money at him just because he's pretty brittle. And with the club having a zero tolerance policy as far as ANY substance use, including alcohol, I'd say his hopes for getting a big payday are tied into someone rolling the dice in free agency.royal_k;1074253 wrote:It will be interesting to see what ML baseball does about this. He could be suspended for violating his program. If I'm not mistaken, I believe he's in the last year of his contract as well. This could hurt him in FA.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Feb 3, 2012 12:41pm
Yeah, I didn't even think about his injury problems. This comes into play, too.Heretic;1074356 wrote:Yeah, on Yahoo, Jeff Passan had a column about this. Texas is leery about throwing big money at him just because he's pretty brittle. And with the club having a zero tolerance policy as far as ANY substance use, including alcohol, I'd say his hopes for getting a big payday are tied into someone rolling the dice in free agency.
BearBoy69
Posts: 291
Feb 3, 2012 12:42pm
He can replace Carmona er i mean whatever that guys name is in Cleveland! (we can all dream:rolleyes
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Feb 3, 2012 12:47pm
Will he sign for 2 mill a year? If the answer is yes, than we have a chance.....BearBoy69;1074363 wrote:He can replace Carmona er i mean whatever that guys name is in Cleveland! (we can all dream:rolleyes
BearBoy69
Posts: 291
Feb 3, 2012 12:49pm
Well the Indians are eff'ed thenroyal_k;1074374 wrote:Will he sign for 2 mill a year? If the answer is yes, than we have a chance.....
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Feb 3, 2012 1:19pm
SOmeone will give him some good money if he puts up numbers and doesnt mess up in his personal life.
I dont know if one can be for sure, but i wonder if his drug and alchohol abuse has led to his injury problem. Some will automatically say it is, but he could just be culprit of bad luck ya know. It happens with athletes
I dont know if one can be for sure, but i wonder if his drug and alchohol abuse has led to his injury problem. Some will automatically say it is, but he could just be culprit of bad luck ya know. It happens with athletes
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Feb 3, 2012 8:24pm
When you have this condidtion...I don't think a 'relapse' is ever a "meh".[INDENT]Meh, he did this about 3-4 years ago, and he turned out to be fine. His condition isn't as bad as it once was. [/INDENT]
BearBoy69
Posts: 291
Feb 4, 2012 12:49am
Ya pretty serious stuff. Especially when it could cost you millions or the dream job.HitsRus;1074688 wrote:When you have this condidtion...I don't think a 'relapse' is ever a "meh".
I saw today Hamilton apologized for his relapse, but he pretty much has too to save face
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Feb 4, 2012 9:02am
Does anyone even know how much he drank? Was he seen taking a couple shots or falling on his face? It's hard to put this in perspective without knowing the context of this "relapse".
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Feb 4, 2012 9:53am
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/03/2623158/rangers-hamilton-admits-to-another.htmlthedynasty1998;1074876 wrote:Does anyone even know how much he drank? Was he seen taking a couple shots or falling on his face? It's hard to put this in perspective without knowing the context of this "relapse".
"I had a weak moment on Monday night in Dallas," said Hamilton, stating the situation was brought on because of personal reasons with a family member. "I walked to a restaurant to have some dinner and...ended up ordering a drink. I had three or four drinks."
According to Hamilton, Kinsler, who arrived later, was unaware that Hamilton had been drinking. When the restaurant closed, the pair went across the street to another establishment and talked for "25 to 30 minutes" before Kinsler dropped Hamilton off, asking "You're not gonna go back out or anything are you?"
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jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Feb 4, 2012 5:06pm
This. I realize he was an alcoholic and nobody wants to see him have those issues again, but at the end of the day if he had 3 or 4 drinks and went on living his life, I'm not going to crucify him.thedynasty1998;1074876 wrote:Does anyone even know how much he drank? Was he seen taking a couple shots or falling on his face? It's hard to put this in perspective without knowing the context of this "relapse".
He slipped up, admitted to it, and seems like he understands that with his condition he has to be careful.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Feb 5, 2012 11:28am
This thread is ridiculous. Dude had 4 beers. Just because you were once addicted doesn't mean you can't touch anything ever. If this becomes a problem then obviously it would look worse, but 4 drinks is nothing.