ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 30, 2012 2:48pm
Funny ass read right here.
What do you asshats want to hear? "Yeah we're pretty unhappy to be in contention every year since Matta has become coach."
Lol...lame debate
What do you asshats want to hear? "Yeah we're pretty unhappy to be in contention every year since Matta has become coach."
Lol...lame debate
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 30, 2012 2:49pm
Matta may be a step below Williams, Self, Coach K, etc., but he's head and shoulders above any coach in the B1G (not named Izzo)...and, IMO, he has to be considered among the top 10 D1 coaches in the country.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2012 2:50pm
Izzo,Calipari,Boheim, CalhounFatHobbit;1070210 wrote:My mistake, you're right.
I agree we're not on the level of those three yet, but we're a lot closer than we've ever been before. I'm curious to see who etc would be.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2012 2:50pm
Matta is not head and shoulders above Izzo. Hell, hes not even above Izzovball10set;1070226 wrote:Matta may be a step below Williams, Self, Coach K, etc., but he's head and shoulders above any coach in the B1G...and, IMO, he has to be considered among the top 10 D1 coaches in the country.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 30, 2012 2:53pm
Hb31187;1070231 wrote:Matta is not head and shoulders above Izzo. Hell, hes not even above Izzo
check my edit, Beilein boy :rolleyes:
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2012 2:54pm
Check the time of my post, blind homervball10set;1070232 wrote:check my edit, Beilein boy :rolleyes:
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jan 30, 2012 2:56pm
In the same time frame Izzo isHb31187;1070231 wrote:Matta is not head and shoulders above Izzo. Hell, hes not even above Izzo
2004/2005 - final four
2005/2006 - 1st round
2006/2007 - 2nd round
2007/2008 - sweet 16
2008/2009 - NCAA runner up
2009/2010 - final four
I agree that's better, but not a lot and he didn't have to clean up the mess that Matta walked into.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 30, 2012 2:56pm
lol--actually I was editing as you were posting, but I did get it in before I saw yoursHb31187;1070238 wrote:Check the time of my post, blind homer
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 30, 2012 2:56pm
x's and o's and recruiting are not mutually exclusive...but detractors view it as such
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jan 30, 2012 2:58pm
Every team has had let downs int he tourney, even marquee programs. Duke was awful for years in the tourney, Syracuse has had early exits, Kansas, you name it basically. The tournament format doesn't reveal who the best team in the country is, it reveals the hottest team with the best/most favorable match ups.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 30, 2012 3:01pm
It seems like you're seeking out someone to complain about a coach. Maybe you should start a thread about Beilein's terrible 2nd half offense yesterday?Hb31187;1070238 wrote:Check the time of my post, blind homer
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2012 3:03pm
Lol or im havning a discussion in the thread and havent bashed OSU at allAutomatik;1070257 wrote:It seems like you're seeking out someone to complain about a coach. Maybe you should start a thread about Beilein's terrible 2nd half offense yesterday?
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2012 3:05pm
Lolvball10set;1070244 wrote:lol--actually I was editing as you were posting, but I did get it in before I saw yours
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 30, 2012 3:05pm
Boeheim has one National Championship in 35 years of coaching. Cal has been to one unvacated Final Four. Calhoun was 13 years in before he won a NC. Izzo has one NC in 17 seasons. Matta has one Final Four appearance. I'll give you Calhoun, but Matta is right there with the other guys.Hb31187;1070229 wrote:Izzo,Calipari,Boheim, Calhoun
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2012 3:07pm
So 1 final four puts him right there with Izzo and Boheim and Coach Cal(even if vacated, he still coached that team to where they got to, its not like they used performance enhancers)se-alum;1070267 wrote:Boeheim has one National Championship in 35 years of coaching. Cal has been to one unvacated Final Four. Calhoun was 13 years in before he won a NC. Izzo has one NC in 17 seasons. Matta has one Final Four appearance. I'll give you Calhoun, but Matta is right there with the other guys.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 30, 2012 3:13pm
Yea, I think he is. Given that he hasn't been a head coach that long, and completely turned around a program that was way down. So having Derrick Rose as opposed to not having Derrick Rose had no difference. He used illegal players.Hb31187;1070270 wrote:So 1 final four puts him right there with Izzo and Boheim and Coach Cal(even if vacated, he still coached that team to where they got to, its not like they used performance enhancers)
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Jan 30, 2012 3:13pm
LOL...so where does that put him?Hb31187;1070270 wrote:So 1 final four puts him right there with Izzo and Boheim and Coach Cal(even if vacated, he still coached that team to where they got to, its not like they used performance enhancers)
Funny shit
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2012 3:14pm
Puts him easily behind 3 HOF coaches. How the hell does 1 final four put him in the same class as those guys?ytownfootball;1070282 wrote:LOL...so where does that put him?
Funny ****
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 30, 2012 3:15pm
Ok, he's behind those guys.
And your point is? I'm still failing to see it.
And your point is? I'm still failing to see it.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jan 30, 2012 3:16pm
I can agree that Matta is behind anyone with a title. But you have to admit he's not far behind and that's some great company to be not far behind. He has a lot of time to catch them.Hb31187;1070283 wrote:Puts him easily behind 3 HOF coaches. How the hell does 1 final four put him in the same class as those guys?
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Jan 30, 2012 3:16pm
Being more accomplished does not make one a better coach. Too many variables to judge coaching ability on wins alone.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jan 30, 2012 3:18pm
Especially when one coach has been coaching for 1/3rd the time as some of the others.Prescott;1070290 wrote:Being more accomplished does not make one a better coach. Too many variables to judge coaching ability on wins alone.
But I do agree that you can't say one coach is on the same level as other coaches when they the other coaches have titles. You do have to win one to get into that conversation IMHO.
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Prescott
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Jan 30, 2012 3:18pm
Who does more with less better than Bo Ryan?
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2012 3:18pm
Calhoun-3 national titles, 4 final fours
Izzo-1 national title 6 final fours
Boheim-3 final fours and a national title
Cal-3 final fours( yeah yeah i know, 2 vacated)
So maybe Matta is on par with Cal somewhat, but the other ones its not THAT close
Izzo-1 national title 6 final fours
Boheim-3 final fours and a national title
Cal-3 final fours( yeah yeah i know, 2 vacated)
So maybe Matta is on par with Cal somewhat, but the other ones its not THAT close
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 30, 2012 3:19pm
I agree hes not far behind, just dont see how someone could say hes not real far behind them lolFatHobbit;1070288 wrote:I can agree that Matta is behind anyone with a title. But you have to admit he's not far behind and that's some great company to be not far behind. He has a lot of time to catch them.