centralbucksfan;1070075 wrote:It wasn't long ago, that Self was right were Matta was/is. Again, it took Self 14yrs to win a title. And that at Kansas, a pretty good gig, with better tradition and more focus on bball. Matta is in his 12th year as a head coach. As I mentioned above, look at how long it has taken some guys to win their first title. It took many great ones a LONG, LONG time to get there. And in this day and age where there is MUCH more talent nationally, it makes it even more difficult. He has done all of the above IMO. He has been to a title game already. Winning a title is obviously not easy. Many things have to go your way, little luck here and there, getting hot at right time, the tourney draw can help, etc, etc. etc. Things have to fall into place, no question. UConn last year is a primse example. Were they the best team in the country overall last year? Hell no. But things fell right into place for them.

Automatik;1069967 wrote:Taking into account his age, past/current success, and recruiting I can honestly say I wouldn't either.

Automatik;1070081 wrote:I don't think he gave it a single thought.

LJ;1070087 wrote:The problem is, if Matta consistently had guys overachieving and he was winning B1G titles and getting to the Sweet 16, I would be tickled to death. That is not the case though. 2007/08 really was not Matta's fault as he had 2 supposed long term players who went pro after one year, and there isn't much you can do about that. After that though, last year was Final Four or bust. This year it is Elite 8 or bust IMO.

Complacency breeds mediocrity

FatHobbit;1070130 wrote:IMO

2004/2005 - no tournament appearance
2005/2006 - second round loss- overachieved with Terrence Dials and then were exposed in the tournament
2006/2007 - NCAA runner up - great season/pretty good tournament
2007/2008 - NIT champs - disappointing season
2008/2009 - 1st round loss - terrible tournament appearance, but they were an 8 that lost to a 9 so not really surprising
2009/2010 - sweet 16 - good season - not a great tournament. I don't think they were a great team and they were too dependent on Evan Turner
2010/2011 - sweet 16 - great season - not a great tournament (this team underachieved the most out of Matta's teams at OSU IMO. I think they were better than this years team)

I think the biggest reason I'm happy having Matta as our coach is that he has really raised the bar on what is and isn't acceptable. When Obrien was the coach we were competing for Big 10 titles and hoping to make the tournament. Even when we made the tournament the teams were not good enough to have expectations that they would win it all. With Matta as the coach we are winning Big 10 titles and competing for the national championship. There aren't many coaches out there that do more than that. You could say Matta is a better recruiter than a coach and that other coaches would do much better with the talent he has, but the problem with that argument is most other coaches aren't getting the talent that Matta is.

Automatik;1070167 wrote:lol are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

Would you like me to complain about Matta? I'm 100% content with the direction that the OSU bball program is heading.

Sorry I'm not one of those fans who like to nitpick and bitch about everything. Look around the forum and I'm sure you can find lots of bitching regarding the hoops and football teams.

SportsAndLady;1070156 wrote:IMO the "i'm happy with the coach now because our coach before was just awful" argument is pretty bad.

So you guys are cool with constantly bringing in top talent but never actually winning anything on a national level because the coach before was lousy?

FatHobbit;1070130 wrote:IMO

2004/2005 - no tournament appearance
2005/2006 - second round loss- overachieved with Terrence Dials and then were exposed in the tournament
2006/2007 - NCAA runner up - great season/pretty good tournament
2007/2008 - NIT champs - disappointing season
2008/2009 - 1st round loss - terrible tournament appearance, but they were an 8 that lost to a 9 so not really surprising
2009/2010 - sweet 16 - good season - not a great tournament. I don't think they were a great team and they were too dependent on Evan Turner
2010/2011 - sweet 16 - great season - not a great tournament (this team underachieved the most out of Matta's teams at OSU IMO. I think they were better than this years team)

I think the biggest reason I'm happy having Matta as our coach is that he has really raised the bar on what is and isn't acceptable. When Obrien was the coach we were competing for Big 10 titles and hoping to make the tournament. Even when we made the tournament the teams were not good enough to have expectations that they would win it all. With Matta as the coach we are winning Big 10 titles and competing for the national championship. There aren't many coaches out there that do more than that. You could say Matta is a better recruiter than a coach and that other coaches would do much better with the talent he has, but the problem with that argument is most other coaches aren't getting the talent that Matta is.

Hb31187;1070182 wrote:you're right, most coaches arent getting near the talent Matta gets. The problem is, the ones who are....are doing more with it

LJ;1070150 wrote:The underachievment last year is what is burning me up and why I refuse to become complacent with B1G titles. I think the 09/10 team did what they should have done. They had no inside game.

LJ;1070150 wrote:I don't think he is anywhere near getting fired or reprimanded, nor should he be, but I think we as fans need to always demand more, in a reasonable fashion. I think it's reasonable at this point to start wanting Final Fours.

SportsAndLady;1070156 wrote:IMO the "i'm happy with the coach now because our coach before was just awful" argument is pretty bad.

So you guys are cool with constantly bringing in top talent but never actually winning anything on a national level because the coach before was lousy?

Hb31187;1070182 wrote:you're right, most coaches arent getting near the talent Matta gets. The problem is, the ones who are....are doing more with it

Hb31187;1070182 wrote:you're right, most coaches arent getting near the talent Matta gets. The problem is, the ones who are....are doing more with it

se-alum;1070179 wrote:Yes, were cool with just being average in the tournament. There, will that make you give up on your ridiculous argument? Matta is one of the top coaches in the NCAA, and has turned this program completely around. We're willing to give him time to see if he can win it all. At this point, there's no better coach in the NCAA that is going to leave their team to come to OSU, so I'm not real sure what your point is.

FatHobbit;1070193 wrote:Please name the coaches who are doing more with less. (They do exist, I just want to see your list)

Midstate01;1070185 wrote:Cool....who's your team. I literally don't know... Michigan?

SportsAndLady;1070195 wrote:What is your definition of a "top coach"?

Top 3? 5? 10?

Hb31187;1070200 wrote:I didnt say they do more with Less.

Hb31187;1070200 wrote:I said the ones who have equal talent to what Matta is bringing in do more with said talent. Williams, Self, Coach K, ect

Hb31187;1070200 wrote:I didnt say they do more with Less. I said the ones who have equal talent to what Matta is bringing in do more with said talent. Williams, Self, Coach K, ect

se-alum;1070216 wrote:Well, I'm ok with Matta being behind 2 coaching legends, and another guy who will probably be a legend when it's all said and done.

I said the ones who have equal talent to what Matta is bringing in do more with said talent. Williams, Self, Coach K, ect