Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Jan 27, 2012 9:38am
A second structure collapses at a casino site, this time Cincinnati. Just over a month ago a parking garage collapsed at the casino in Cleveland. Someone is cutting corners.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/01/part_of_dan_gilbert_casino_in.html
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/casino_parking_garage_on_hold.html
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/01/part_of_dan_gilbert_casino_in.html
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/casino_parking_garage_on_hold.html
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Jan 27, 2012 9:41am
As long as the one in Toledo is built perfectly fine and ready soon I don't give a shit what happens to these other ones. But yeah someone is definitely not doing there job.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Jan 27, 2012 9:46am
Yep, just tear them down. This state doesn't need the revenue or thousands of jobs.Glory Days;1067496 wrote:A second structure collapses at a casino site, this time Cincinnati. Just over a month ago a parking garage collapsed at the casino in Cleveland. Someone is cutting corners.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/01/part_of_dan_gilbert_casino_in.html
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/12/casino_parking_garage_on_hold.html
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 27, 2012 9:56am
What a clusterfuck.
Gotta think this will push back the completion dates.
Gotta think this will push back the completion dates.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 27, 2012 10:01am
I'm far from an expert in construction, but would think building something of this scale without any mishaps would be the exception rather than the rule.
tcarrier32
Posts: 1,497
Jan 27, 2012 10:03am
what about the one in columbus?
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 27, 2012 10:03am
Without ANY mishaps...maybe....but a mishap that injures a dozen or so people? This has to be more of an exception and not the rule in construction I would think.queencitybuckeye;1067522 wrote:I'm far from an expert in construction, but would think building something of this scale without any mishaps would be the exception rather than the rule.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jan 27, 2012 10:07am
I'll wager these facilities pay out to be a huge jackpot for Ohio in the long run.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Jan 27, 2012 10:38am
They say in the article it's the "same team" of workers. I wonder if just the same construction company or same foreman and work crew?
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Jan 27, 2012 10:39am
The casinos will raise a lot of money but get no credit for it
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Jan 27, 2012 10:40am
Sounds like the problems with the construction team who gave them the lowest bid not the casinos
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Jan 27, 2012 12:15pm
Wasnt really implying that.se-alum;1067508 wrote:Yep, just tear them down. This state doesn't need the revenue or thousands of jobs.
I think Dan Gilbert owns both casinos. so i am assuming probably the same company.said_aouita;1067562 wrote:They say in the article it's the "same team" of workers. I wonder if just the same construction company or same foreman and work crew?
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jan 27, 2012 12:20pm
Really a vital step in taking us full-circle from govt-handout to poor person and ultimately back to the the govt. Wash, rinse and repeat.sportchampps;1067564 wrote:The casinos will raise a lot of money but get no credit for it
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Jan 27, 2012 2:58pm
Yes because the only people who gamble are people who receive government handouts. Why do people act like this. If I wanted to go to an osu footballl game and drop a couple hundred on tickets parking and food how is that different then walking into a casino and spending that same amount. Gambling is not going to make people rich but it does provide people another option for entertainment. The casino will create jobs and keep a lot of money that was going out of state in state. The casino will help raise commercial property values in a downtrodden area(Columbus casino). If you don't believe that is true look at Les Wexnar buying up as much of the surrounding area as possible.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 27, 2012 3:28pm
The casinos themselves are failures because of a construction error? :huh:
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Jan 27, 2012 3:37pm
Sounds like a house of cards.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 27, 2012 3:38pm
Try the veal. Tip your waiters.majorspark;1067879 wrote:Sounds like a house of cards.
Mr. 300
Posts: 3,090
Jan 27, 2012 3:39pm
It's Bush's fault
SnotBubbles
Posts: 4,492
Jan 27, 2012 5:02pm
I'm in construction management and buildings falling down during construction are NOT a common thing. They're a rare thing. Small issues occur all the time, but nothing of this magnitude. If I heard correctly, the contractor overseeing this project (from our in-house discussions on this) was Messer. A large, reputable company...but a company that subcontracts a lot of their work out.
In our industry, you read about these mishaps and are just thankful everyone survived. The company I work for has been around for over 60 years, is a medium size company and has never had a single workplace fatality. Unfortunately, that is not the norm. Mistakes happen, no matter how good/careful you are.
In our industry, you read about these mishaps and are just thankful everyone survived. The company I work for has been around for over 60 years, is a medium size company and has never had a single workplace fatality. Unfortunately, that is not the norm. Mistakes happen, no matter how good/careful you are.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Jan 27, 2012 8:43pm
since like most have pointed out, this is a rare occurrance, its probably a sign of the things to come. wait till we find out people are getting paid off and patrons are being taken into back rooms etc.SportsAndLady;1067868 wrote:The casinos themselves are failures because of a construction error? :huh:
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Jan 27, 2012 9:10pm
Not sure if it's true, but someone told me today they were unsung a really cheap material to cut costs. Not sure if it was a steal or what, but the guy discussing it seemed to be knowledgeable.
password
Posts: 2,360
Jan 27, 2012 11:37pm
Should have had the Amish build it.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jan 28, 2012 1:33am
Dont know about the one in Cinci, but the parking deck level that collapsed in Cleveland happened at the building they are remodeling to be the casino temporarily. So, I could see some complications. Its not like they are building it from the ground up and these things are happening.
Also creating thousands of jobs =/= failure.
Also creating thousands of jobs =/= failure.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 28, 2012 12:33pm
No matter what you try to say, a construction company's error is not the fault of the casino.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 28, 2012 12:47pm
I heard that too. Instaed of steel they used steel colored balsa wood.thedynasty1998;1068098 wrote:Not sure if it's true, but someone told me today they were unsung a really cheap material to cut costs. Not sure if it was a steal or what, but the guy discussing it seemed to be knowledgeable.