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@BryanDFischer: USC, for example, would be looking at 32-42 scholarships cut PER YEAR under new enforcement model:

karen lotz;1056039 wrote:http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/34441353


@BryanDFischer: USC, for example, would be looking at 32-42 scholarships cut PER YEAR under new enforcement model:

What??? It'd be practically impossible to field a team. Might as well give the death penalty. Just think what the guys at espn would say osu's punishment would need to be then.

good maybe it'll make some of these schools do things the right way.

Michigan would have lost 4 schollies per year for practicing too much??? Comeon. That's just dumb.

Yeah not sure about the Michigan one, but USC hasn't been hurt in recruiting at all compared to how stiff their penalties were supposed to be. If they are going to have a set penalty for each violation or whatever and they are consistent across the board, I wouldn't think it would be that bad.

Damn good thing we got caught this year and got it out of the way then

I agree. But that's a big IF. The NCAA can't afford to have its big money schools losing too much money for them.

Yeah, but Oregon State's president said they won't stand it any longer.

Lol

karen lotz;1056065 wrote:Yeah not sure about the Michigan one, but USC hasn't been hurt in recruiting at all compared to how stiff their penalties were supposed to be. If they are going to have a set penalty for each violation or whatever and they are consistent across the board, I wouldn't think it would be that bad.

It might not seem that way now, but USC's punishment is going to start actually negatively affecting them when their lack of depth becomes an unavoidable factor the year after next...like the NCAA investigations, the NCAA penalties take a while before there are final results. A punishment like what they received would affect other schools much more negatively than the trouble it is going to cause them, just the nature of the beast.

USC is the crown jewel of football programs on the left coast, they aren't and were never going to suffer with a punishment like this the way the U or any SEC school would under the same circumstance. USC recruits against Arizona, Stanford, and the rest of the Pac 12. Miami competes for recruits with Florida State, Clemson, and the entire SEC. USC will have a few down years just based on the number of reductions alone but in the end, they'll bounce back and in a hurry because they're a shark in a sea full of guppies out west. In the south it's sharks in waters filled with other sharks.

I think the NCAA is saying enough is enough. All of these major schools with major infractions not only causes a PR disaster for the NCAA and the school, it repeatedly happening all over the country coupled with the apparent 'pick-and-choose' what gets investigated makes the NCAA look (deservedly) soft in enforcement. It's extreme and it's only going to appear to work on the surface from an image POV which is really all the NCAA wants anyway.

Makes sense, punish the players on the team who had nothing to do with the violations.

How about: any major violation results in a lifetime ban of the head coach and athletic director from all NCAA activities. I'm wiling to bet that would do more to stop rule breaking than anything else. But it would go against the NCAA's tradition of punishing the players above anyone else.

ccrunner609;1056375 wrote:Make the rules whatever you want to make them..........

We've got dolphins!

2kool4skool;1056286 wrote:Makes sense, punish the players on the team who had nothing to do with the violations.

How about: any major violation results in a lifetime ban of the head coach and athletic director from all NCAA activities. I'm wiling to bet that would do more to stop rule breaking than anything else. But it would go against the NCAA's tradition of punishing the players above anyone else.

Go to work in the NFL.

2kool4skool;1056286 wrote:How about: any major violation results in a lifetime ban of the head coach and athletic director from all NCAA activities. I'm wiling to bet that would do more to stop rule breaking than anything else. But it would go against the NCAA's tradition of punishing the players above anyone else.

I agree with this, in addition to stricter penalties.

You aren't punishing the kids because they can transfer out with no loss of eligibility.

2kool4skool;1056286 wrote:Makes sense, punish the players on the team who had nothing to do with the violations.

How about: any major violation results in a lifetime ban of the head coach and athletic director from all NCAA activities. I'm wiling to bet that would do more to stop rule breaking than anything else. But it would go against the NCAA's tradition of punishing the players above anyone else.

Only way to punish is to punish the institutions and give the players(who aren't guilty) an opportunity to move on without penalty. You can't punish people who can go another job because it may very well not be a punishment. Recruits don't have to go to punished programs if they don't want to.

2kool4skool;1056286 wrote:Makes sense, punish the players on the team who had nothing to do with the violations.

How about: any major violation results in a lifetime ban of the head coach and athletic director from all NCAA activities. I'm wiling to bet that would do more to stop rule breaking than anything else. But it would go against the NCAA's tradition of punishing the players above anyone else.

Elite schools will just move on from that without anything. Look at OSU's situation... you ban Tressel and Smith, let's say. Most people want Smith gone anyway, and they were able to replace a Tressel with Meyer. The two gentlemen are blacklisted, but the university essentially gets off scot free because their brand affords them that opportunity to immediately replace with big names.

There's no good way to do it... the way it is now hurts the wrong players, if you fine schools it hurts every non revenue sport and essentially doesn't affect football and basketball.

dtdtim;1056119 wrote:It might not seem that way now, but USC's punishment is going to start actually negatively affecting them when their lack of depth becomes an unavoidable factor the year after next...like the NCAA investigations, the NCAA penalties take a while before there are final results. A punishment like what they received would affect other schools much more negatively than the trouble it is going to cause them, just the nature of the beast.

They are going to be ok I think. Kids are transferring this year so that opens up scholarships for freshman and JC'ers. They won't have much depth this year or next but they should be ok with so many great players coming back and underclassmen getting a lot of PT(pending being injury free).

The four bigger names to transfer have been Brice Butler(WR-SDSU), Kyle Prater(WR-possibly Northwestern), Armond Armstead(DL to ND?), and Amir Carlisle(RB to ND).

ts1227;1056432 wrote:Elite schools will just move on from that without anything. Look at OSU's situation... you ban Tressel and Smith, let's say. Most people want Smith gone anyway, and they were able to replace a Tressel with Meyer. The two gentlemen are blacklisted, but the university essentially gets off scot free because their brand affords them that opportunity to immediately replace with big names.

There's no good way to do it... the way it is now hurts the wrong players, if you fine schools it hurts every non revenue sport and essentially doesn't affect football and basketball.

Yea but not many schools can just replace their guy w/ an Urban Meyer.

SportsAndLady;1056625 wrote:Yea but not many schools can just replace their guy w/ an Urban Meyer.

The timing was beautiful in that instance. Elite schools are elite schools and will have the best of the best lining up regardless.

ccrunner609;1056375 wrote:Make the rules whatever you want to make them..........

insightful :laugh:

brutus161;1056383 wrote:We've got dolphins!

Reps for using #BestCatchphraseEver.

dtdtim;1056119 wrote:It might not seem that way now, but USC's punishment is going to start actually negatively affecting them when their lack of depth becomes an unavoidable factor the year after next...like the NCAA investigations, the NCAA penalties take a while before there are final results. A punishment like what they received would affect other schools much more negatively than the trouble it is going to cause them, just the nature of the beast.

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They actually had issues this year practicing. I believe there was a one or two week period where they did almost no contact because of their numbers and injuries. I am still not sold that USC is "back". Certainly on the upswing. But, with limited numbers, they are but a few injuries away from things not going well. So don't kid yourself, their numbers are an issue. Kiffin has said as much as well.

Who wants to start a new organization that make's easy money off of collegiate athletics? I think we should call it the CSA Collegiate Sports Association. The NCAA won't last if it is going to pull this shit.

That's wrong on Southern Cal. 2010 they didn't practice with contact. This year they were back to practicing normally. Kiffin brought in 30 some freshman last year and is simply shuffling players out the door to get around the 15 limit again this year. It will hurt their depth some, but not like everyone initially thought when the penalties were announced.

karen lotz;1057239 wrote:That's wrong on Southern Cal. 2010 they didn't practice with contact. This year they were back to practicing normally. Kiffin brought in 30 some freshman last year and is simply shuffling players out the door to get around the 15 limit again this year. It will hurt their depth some, but not like everyone initially thought when the penalties were announced.

Dillon Baxter, Prater, Armstead, Butler, Carlisle, etc, if Kiffin were simply shuffling players out the door, those players wouldn't be in the same room as the door.