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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jan 12, 2012 3:43pm
So you are saying that they should fine him for praying after a TD? Come on...said_aouita;1049747 wrote:I don't agree with firing but do think a fine is appropriate. Didn't Kitna get in trouble for a hat? Can't remember details, recall somebody getting fined for religious clothes??
(I'm sure some smart OC'er remembers what I'm thinking of....)
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wkfan
Posts: 1,641
Jan 12, 2012 3:50pm
Then the NFL will be fining a shitton of players......jmog;1049788 wrote:So you are saying that they should fine him for praying after a TD? Come on...
ManO'War
Posts: 1,420
Jan 12, 2012 3:55pm
Yea, fine him, but let all the idiots with their dance moves, dunking the ball, etc... continue on.:rolleyes:jmog;1049788 wrote:So you are saying that they should fine him for praying after a TD? Come on...
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Jan 12, 2012 3:58pm
He would be more credible if he prayed after a pick 6 as well.jmog;1049788 wrote:So you are saying that they should fine him for praying after a TD? Come on...
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jan 12, 2012 4:10pm
How do you know he doesn't?Devils Advocate;1049804 wrote:He would be more credible if he prayed after a pick 6 as well.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jan 12, 2012 4:12pm
lol gotta love religion defendersjmog;1049829 wrote:How do you know he doesn't?
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 12, 2012 4:14pm
publicly? I'd also like to hear a video thanking god for a loss. Thanks jesus for a win, never hear a post game with him thanking jesus they got stomped. A loss was because he didn't play well and his team didn't play well, never because god didn't want him to play well.jmog;1049829 wrote:How do you know he doesn't?
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jan 12, 2012 4:14pm
exactly!! or pray before the game or point to the sky after they score!hoops23;1049786 wrote:Players get down on one knee all the time after scoring Td's. Nothing new with Tebow doing it.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Jan 12, 2012 4:18pm
I saw three of his 6 picks on TV and he never once stopped in the middle of the field and Tebow'd.jmog;1049829 wrote:How do you know he doesn't?
Did I miss something different on the other 3?
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jan 12, 2012 4:23pm
Gotta love religious bashers.DeyDurkie5;1049830 wrote:lol gotta love religion defenders
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Jan 12, 2012 4:25pm
it's plain and simple. the dude is hired to play football. He shoves religion down our face, most people are wise enough not to believe in that fairy tale, so naturally it's going to irk them.jmog;1049846 wrote:Gotta love religious bashers.
If a player constantly said "god is not the reason for this game, it was all talent" and kept doing the same shit tebow was doing but in an athiest way, you would hate him.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jan 12, 2012 4:31pm
Google search, not that hard. Look up the press conferences after losses. He still thanks God.Raw Dawgin' it;1049833 wrote:publicly? I'd also like to hear a video thanking god for a loss. Thanks jesus for a win, never hear a post game with him thanking jesus they got stomped. A loss was because he didn't play well and his team didn't play well, never because god didn't want him to play well.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Jan 12, 2012 4:34pm
1. He is hired to play football, but why should that exclude him from sharing what he believes to be true?DeyDurkie5;1049850 wrote:it's plain and simple. the dude is hired to play football. He shoves religion down our face, most people are wise enough not to believe in that fairy tale, so naturally it's going to irk them.
If a player constantly said "god is not the reason for this game, it was all talent" and kept doing the same **** tebow was doing but in an athiest way, you would hate him.
2. He doesn't shove anything down your face, you are free to pay no attention to his press conferences and turn the channel.
3. You believe you are "wise enough" not to believe, so you think you are more "wise" than anyone who has ever believed in a supreme being? Trust me, that is not the case.
4. If someone was as flambouyantly atheist in a football game, I could care less as it is their right under the Bill of Rights.
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Jan 12, 2012 4:36pm
The NFL is full of guys who have committed murder, rape, armed robbery, extortion, sold drugs, abused women, committed assault and battery and many other heinous crimes and people have no problem with it.
A guy takes a knee to say a prayer after scoring a touchdown to win a game in the playoffs in dramatic fashion and people think that is the most vile thing they have ever seen. No wonder our world is such a messed up place.
A guy takes a knee to say a prayer after scoring a touchdown to win a game in the playoffs in dramatic fashion and people think that is the most vile thing they have ever seen. No wonder our world is such a messed up place.
ManO'War
Posts: 1,420
Jan 12, 2012 4:37pm
DeyDurkie5;1049850 wrote:it's plain and simple. the dude is hired to play football. He shoves religion down our face, most people are wise enough not to believe in that fairy tale, so naturally it's going to irk them.
If a player constantly said "god is not the reason for this game, it was all talent" and kept doing the same **** tebow was doing but in an athiest way, you would hate him.
But isn't that pretty much all the rest of them?? After every tackle now it's all about ME, ME, ME...look at ME! Even if the guy has a clear path to the quarterback he acts like it was all him...no credit to his teammates who absorbed the blocks so he could get the tackle/sack. RB runs for 13 yards, he gets up and gives the first down signal...no credit to his Oline who opened up the hole.
So at least Tebow is being a little humble and deflecting credit to someone else...in this case his god.
Raw Dawgin' it
Posts: 11,466
Jan 12, 2012 4:46pm
First and foremost i'd like to thank my lord and savior jesus christ for blessing me with the talent to post. Secondly, you're mixing my words, thanking god and thanking god for specific things are different.jmog;1049859 wrote:Google search, not that hard. Look up the press conferences after losses. He still thanks God.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 12, 2012 4:55pm
I had a ton of posts multi quoted but I'll make this shorter. I don't believe sports and religion should be mixed. I like Steve Johnson unthanking god. Why not? People thank him for. Why not unthank him? God had better things to do than to build football players.
what is your definition of full?
Little Danny;1049871 wrote:The NFL is full of guys who have committed murder, rape, armed robbery, extortion, sold drugs, abused women, committed assault and battery and many other heinous crimes and people have no problem with it.
what is your definition of full?
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 12, 2012 4:59pm
I would be interested in seeing if there's substantially more of this activity by pro athletes than society at-large. With no evidence, my guess would be the percentages would pretty much mirror each other.pnhasbeen;1049908 wrote: what is your definition of full?
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 12, 2012 5:00pm
queencitybuckeye;1049915 wrote:I would be interested in seeing if there's substantially more of this activity by pro athletes than society at large. With no evidence, my guess would be the percentages would pretty much mirror society at-large.
Would be a good comparison.
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Zoltan
Posts: 1,003
Jan 12, 2012 5:03pm
From Chuck Klosterman's article on Tebow:DeyDurkie5;1049850 wrote:it's plain and simple. the dude is hired to play football. He shoves religion down our face, most people are wise enough not to believe in that fairy tale, so naturally it's going to irk them.
If a player constantly said "god is not the reason for this game, it was all talent" and kept doing the same **** tebow was doing but in an athiest way, you would hate him.
Tebow is a faithful person. He's full of faith — filled to the top and oozing over the side. It's central to every part of him. When someone suggested that he mentions God too frequently (and that this repetition is what annoys his critics), Tebow said, "If you're married, and you have a wife, and you really love your wife, is it good enough to only tell your wife that you love her on the day you get married? Or should you tell her every single day when you wake up and have the opportunity? That's how I feel about my relationship with Jesus Christ." This is probably the smartest retort I've ever heard an athlete give to a theological question. What possible follow-up could the reporter have asked that would not have seemed anti-wife?
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Jan 12, 2012 5:09pm
Zoltan;1049922 wrote:From Chuck Klosterman's article on Tebow:
Tebow is a faithful person. He's full of faith — filled to the top and oozing over the side. It's central to every part of him. When someone suggested that he mentions God too frequently (and that this repetition is what annoys his critics), Tebow said, "If you're married, and you have a wife, and you really love your wife, is it good enough to only tell your wife that you love her on the day you get married? Or should you tell her every single day when you wake up and have the opportunity? That's how I feel about my relationship with Jesus Christ." This is probably the smartest retort I've ever heard an athlete give to a theological question. What possible follow-up could the reporter have asked that would not have seemed anti-wife?
Do you tell your wife you love her on national television? Don't you think relationships should be somewhat private? Why must he display his relationship for the entire world to see? I love my lady. everyone knows I love my lady. But I don't bring it up in every topic.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Jan 12, 2012 5:14pm
Bill Maher does that I don't hate him.DeyDurkie5;1049850 wrote:it's plain and simple. the dude is hired to play football. He shoves religion down our face, most people are wise enough not to believe in that fairy tale, so naturally it's going to irk them.
If a player constantly said "god is not the reason for this game, it was all talent" and kept doing the same shit tebow was doing but in an athiest way, you would hate him.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jan 12, 2012 5:28pm
So the fuck what? Everybody is different, especially with how they display feelings.pnhasbeen;1049931 wrote:Do you tell your wife you love her on national television? Don't you think relationships should be somewhat private? Why must he display his relationship for the entire world to see? I love my lady. everyone knows I love my lady. But I don't bring it up in every topic.
Tebow backs up his religion by doing the things he believes in and it's his freedom to do those.
ManO'War
Posts: 1,420
Jan 12, 2012 5:30pm
There's an easy fix...don't watch his interviews or press conferences.
Problem solved!
Problem solved!
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 12, 2012 5:36pm
How many NFL players have been convicted of murder, rape, or armed robbery? I wasn't aware the league was "full" of them.
Also, I don't like Tebow because he isn't a good quarterback. I'm watching a football game, not a likeable human being contest.
Also, I don't like Tebow because he isn't a good quarterback. I'm watching a football game, not a likeable human being contest.