shook_17;1298024 wrote:^^^ id like that fire.

I know you didn't mean to say fire, but with our coaching carrousel lately, this statement makes perfect sense lol

BR1986FB;1298051 wrote:Not really. I still have them at 7-9 with the upcoming schedule.

like_that;1298054 wrote:The Browns are simply not going 6-5 with Shurmur as a coach.

They'd have to go 6-4...there's NO way we are going 6-4 the rest of the way lol

And why would you even want them to? All that would do is put us in the early teens in the draft; the season is done, might as well root for them to compete but finish in the top 10 in the draft.

Id LOVE to have Gruden. I think hes an above average coach and there are just simply no better options. And no way in hell do they win 7-8 games this year. I also lol'd at that list of games that we "should" win. The Browns arent good enough where they "should" beat ANYONE. Well maybe the chiefs with Quinn at QB, but i can still EASILY see charles go for 500 yards.

Rotinaj;1298071 wrote:Id LOVE to have Gruden. I think hes an above average coach and there are just simply no better options. And no way in hell do they win 7-8 games this year. I also lol'd at that list of games that we "should" win. The Browns arent good enough where they "should" beat ANYONE. Well maybe the chiefs with Quinn at QB, but i can still EASILY see charles go for 500 yards.

Even with Phil Taylor back in the lineup to boost the run defense?

SportsAndLady;1298065 wrote:

I know you didn't mean to say fire, but with our coaching carrousel lately, this statement makes perfect sense lol

Hahaha. Oups. Yeah my bad! I had back surgery yesterday so I'm in the hospital all drugged up

shook_17;1298024 wrote:^^^ id like that fire. Obviously wouldn't be able to run his offense. I wonder if brian kelly from Notre dame?

No he needs to stay where he is at and plus I don't see him leaving notre dame. He would be a god if he turned notre dame into a national power again

BR1986FB;1298048 wrote:So if Shurmur can turn this around and get this team to 7-9 or 8-8 does he keep his job?

He's gone regardless.

They won't say it yet but this new regime clearly wants to live and die with their own hand picked pieces.

Mike Holmgren essentially sabotaged his own regime by trying to be fair towards Mangini because he showed promise at the end of the season instead of just bringing in the guy he wanted. They never recovered.

Banner will not be so kind I don't think.

IggyPride00;1298126 wrote:He's gone regardless.

They won't say it yet but this new regime clearly wants to live and die with their own hand picked pieces.

Mike Holmgren essentially sabotaged his own regime by trying to be fair towards Mangini because he showed promise at the end of the season instead of just bringing in the guy he wanted. They never recovered.

Banner will not be so kind I don't think.

good point.

OQB;1298055 wrote:We all talked about this before the season even started, and a lot of us were saying that this youngest roster in the NFL would struggle the 1st half of the season, but learn how to win and show a lot of progress in the 2nd half of the season.

They are sitting at 1-5 right now....and have been in every single game they have played and could easily be 3-3/4-2.

I have seen improvement across the board and think our theory still has merit to it and these young guys will continue to get better and win games the 2nd half of the season:

The following games they SHOULD win:

Colts
Raiders
Chiefs
Redskins

These games I think could be a win if they continue to play better and finish games:

Ravens: We were very close to beating them the first game on national tv, and their 3 biggest defensive players are hurt.
Steelers: Aging roster and this just seems like a typical down year for the Steelers, but we should be able to atleast split with them.
Chargers: Traveling across the country to play the Browns, a good gameplan can beat Norv...especially with special teams
Cowboys: Romo is as incosistent as they come...and so is their coach.
Broncos: It's tough anytime you play Peyton, but that's why you play the games.

I think the Browns can grab atleast 2 wins from that group and would put their final record at 7-9....I think that would be enough to keep Heckert and Shurmur here...BUT they have to win those games they are suppose to win, and "steal" a few victories from better teams like Mangini was able to do against the Saints/Patriots. If they can do that and all of our young players keep improving week to week, I think it;s a no brainer you keep the stability in place and look towards how you make this team better.

lol wake up and smell the 1-5 OQB. I'm all for being optimistic, but this is crazy. Expecting wins? LMAO. Patty Boy is still the coach, and we have one win. Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda won 3/4 games? We were in a bunch of games last season as well and still finished with 4 wins. At least 2 wins from that group? lol lol lol. We've won 1 game, every one of those teams in the second group has won 300% more games this season than we have, where do you get off with at least 2? You're getting delusional.

Shook I think they would try to run his offense especially if they decide Weeden isn't their guy and they want Geno. He actually met with the Patriots coaching staff and gave them advice on basically running the Oregon offense this year. So far Brady and the offense have looked great playing Oregon style proving with the right people it might work in the NFL.

Commander of Awesome;1298163 wrote:lol wake up and smell the 1-5 OQB. I'm all for being optimistic, but this is crazy. Expecting wins? LMAO. Patty Boy is still the coach, and we have one win. Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda won 3/4 games? We were in a bunch of games last season as well and still finished with 4 wins. At least 2 wins from that group? lol lol lol. We've won 1 game, every one of those teams in the second group has won 300% more games this season than we have, where do you get off with at least 2? You're getting delusional.

I was answering the question to what does Shurmur have to do to keep his job.....

I don't think it is unrealistic to say the Colts, Raiders, Chiefs, and Redskins are all very winnable games and we SHOULD expect to win those because those teams are a combined 7-15 are equally as bad as we are.

Shurmur has to find ways to beat teams better than his....like Mangini did. I just think the Ravens and Steelers are on a steady down hill slide and the injuries and aging roster is going to hurt them, unlike the Browns. We are just now getting a lot of injured guys back that will help improve this team and I think the biggest one is Taylor...the sooner he can be out there the better off our defense is going to be. Weeden is becoming more and more patient and relaxed in the pocket and delivering NFL type throws. Shurmur and his staff have to keep the improvements going and find a way to beat those better teams.


I'm not saying 100% they are going to go 7-9....but I honestly don't think 6 or 7 wins is out of the question with the way the team has been playing the past few weeks and against the teams we are going to face. Young teams are very different in that they can just absolutely suck, or they win a game or two and it can snowball into something bigger, and I think that is what is important....if these young players can be consistent and build on the progress they have made and games they have won.

Last year was last year, we did not have the offense we do now.....we were forced to throw because we couldn't run the ball, and our QB couldn't throw it more than 5 yards down the field. Which basically made it much easier on defenses to play against us. I think we have added a lot of talent and should realistically look for 5-7 wins this season....and ultimately it will be up to Haslam and Banner to decide and evaluate the entire organization on how they performed this season and if that is the direction they want to go.

OQB;1298175 wrote:I was answering the question to what does Shurmur have to do to keep his job.....

I don't think it is unrealistic to say the Colts, Raiders, Chiefs, and Redskins are all very winnable games and we SHOULD expect to win those because those teams are a combined 7-15 are equally as bad as we are.

Shurmur has to find ways to beat teams better than his....like Mangini did. I just think the Ravens and Steelers are on a steady down hill slide and the injuries and aging roster is going to hurt them, unlike the Browns. We are just now getting a lot of injured guys back that will help improve this team and I think the biggest one is Taylor...the sooner he can be out there the better off our defense is going to be. Weeden is becoming more and more patient and relaxed in the pocket and delivering NFL type throws. Shurmur and his staff have to keep the improvements going and find a way to beat those better teams.


I'm not saying 100% they are going to go 7-9....but I honestly don't think 6 or 7 wins is out of the question with the way the team has been playing the past few weeks and against the teams we are going to face.

Last year was last year, we did not have the offense we do now.....we were forced to throw because we couldn't run the ball, and our QB couldn't throw it more than 5 yards down the field. I think we have added a lot of talent and should realistically look for 5-7 wins this season....and ultimately it will be up to Haslam and Banner to decide and evaluate the entire organization on how they performed this season and if that is the direction they want to go.

LM F AO. Erica Womangini beat the Pats and the Saints on a prayer, and all of a sudden he's your bench mark? Sorry, that's pathetic. Erica had a 1-12 record in his first season. That's FUCKING pathetic. ini 2 seasons we won 10 games our of a possible 32. That's a 30% winning percentage. lol "like mangini did" lol. You killed your entire argument there.

Commander of Awesome;1298176 wrote:LM F AO. Erica Womangini beat the Pats and the Saints on a prayer, and all of a sudden he's your bench mark? Sorry, that's pathetic. Erica had a 1-12 record in his first season. That's FUCKING pathetic. ini 2 seasons we won 10 games our of a possible 32. That's a 30% winning percentage. lol "like mangini did" lol. You killed your entire argument there.

I hated Mangina just as much as you, and yes his time here was pathetic and he only won 10 games in 2 years.......Those were Mangini's two best games as a coach (Saints/Pats game)....and they were against teams they had no business beating....All I'm saying is Shurmur has to find ways to beat those teams he has no business beating...he hasn't been able to do that.

OQB;1298183 wrote:I hated Mangina just as much as you, and yes his time here was pathetic and he only won 10 games in 2 years.......Those were Mangini's two best games as a coach (Saints/Pats game)....and they were against teams they had no business beating....All I'm saying is Shurmur has to find ways to beat those teams he has no business beating...he hasn't been able to do that.

Patty Boy hasn't found a way to beat any team, let alone a miracle David Bowens 2 pick 6's and a reggie hodges 66 yr fake punt play. Erica got lucky beating the saints.

I think we can both agree the team has a long way to go! haha

Anyone hearing rumors involving Saban to the Browns?

Commander of Awesome;1298185 wrote:Patty Boy hasn't found a way to beat any team, let alone a miracle David Bowens 2 pick 6's and a reggie hodges 66 yr fake punt play. Erica got lucky beating the saints.

But if you ask the Weeden haters (nobody on this site said this), it was Colt McCoy with his 74 yards passing that beat the Saints. Get your facts straight.

Fab1b;1298189 wrote:Anyone hearing rumors involving Saban to the Browns?

Have heard his name mentioned.

BR1986FB;1298193 wrote:But if you ask the Weeden haters (nobody on this site said this), it was Colt McCoy with his 74 yards passing that beat the Saints. Get your facts straight.

Oh right, clearly the perfect formula for winning!

BR1986FB;1298196 wrote:Have heard his name mentioned.

I hope not. Want nothing to do with a college coach.

Got this text from a buddy in Cleve:
Wow
Huge Credible sources claiming Nick Saban to Browns at end of year

Dan Patrick just went on air with it; not done but in works

I doubt Sabin comes to Cleveland

lmao @ saban leaving Bama.

shook_17;1298217 wrote:I doubt Sabin comes to Cleveland

Yeah No doubt Sabin turns down the Browns.....Saban on the other hand might want that chance to get the ultimate football championship...the super bowl. Will it be with the Browns....only 2 people know that answer.

I am sure Saban will leave Bama at some point to come back to the pros, particularly if he wins another National title this year.

There will be nothing left to prove on the college level, and it will eat at him his time in the league is viewed as such a disaster.

Pete Carroll went through the same things a few years back and ultimately made the jump to come back because guys at that level are always looking for a new challenge.

Saban will be back, whether it is with the Browns or not is the bigger question.