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Jan 17, 2012 9:00 PM
Be awesome if we got them both like the Jets did (assuming it works). If we had to chose which one would you want?
Jan 17, 2012 9:00pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:07 PM
Over on OBR Sobo said you can almost book John Carelson in a Browns uni next season. Thought that was interesting.
Jan 17, 2012 11:07pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:20 PM
Good. If there's one position we don't have enough of it's tight end.
Jan 17, 2012 11:20pm
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Jan 17, 2012 11:46 PM
Bruce Hooley today on KNR was talking about the Griffin trade up talk and he thinks this is a total smoke screen they are throwing out to get some other team to trade up there and take him.

I agree ten fold with that line of thinking. If you are serious about doing that, you don't leak your intentions for all to know as has been done by the organization.

I think they have something else in mind as you are only jacking up your own price you'd have to pay by telling everyone how much you want Griffin. When that many different organizations are reporting it, it means you are purposely putting those reports out there, or you are incompetent. I guess with the Browns it could be either one, but I am going to guess the Griffin leak is part of a bigger plan.

If they were really serious about it, no one would know how much they like him.
Jan 17, 2012 11:46pm
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Jan 18, 2012 12:02 AM
I hope they are not going to trade up, Mike Lombardi reports on the NFL network that the Rams know that teams want their pick and are asking for 2 #1's and 2 # 2's.... i wouldnt want to do that.....also read where they want the Browns #6, #22 , 1st round next year and next years 4th round......NO WAY! that price is way to high IMO.... i really look for them to trade down but stay in the top 12 may even stay put,
Jan 18, 2012 12:02am
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Jan 18, 2012 12:13 AM
Mr Miyagi;1056662 wrote:I hope they are not going to trade up, Mike Lombardi reports on the NFL network that the Rams know that teams want their pick and are asking for 2 #1's and 2 # 2's.... i wouldnt want to do that.....also read where they want the Browns #6, #22 , 1st round next year and next years 4th round......NO WAY! that price is way to high IMO.... i really look for them to trade down but stay in the top 12 may even stay put,
If that's what they are asking for, then fuck that. You either stay put and get a starter in place or trade back for more picks for future rounds. I don't get the obsession with HAVING to get a qb. Yeah, we may suck next year, but we would a. fill holes and b. position ourselves highly next year to get a franchise qb(barkley). And even if we went with our qb's now, if we hit on our draft this year like we did last year, we would be in the playoffs..regardless of qb play.
Jan 18, 2012 12:13am
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Jan 18, 2012 12:19 AM
yeah i am all for staying put... i don't want to overpay...
Jan 18, 2012 12:19am
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Jan 18, 2012 4:53 AM
Mulva;1056542 wrote:Good. If there's one position we don't have enough of it's tight end.
They have several, yet they have none. I'm skeptical that Watson will be back. Alex Smith is a FA. Evan Moore can't block my 75 year old mom and Cameron is a still developing project. As was posted in that article, I think it's a necessity to have a legit TE. Whether Carlson is that guy remains to be seen.
Jan 18, 2012 4:53am
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Jan 18, 2012 4:57 AM
Mr Miyagi;1056662 wrote:I hope they are not going to trade up, Mike Lombardi reports on the NFL network that the Rams know that teams want their pick and are asking for 2 #1's and 2 # 2's.... i wouldnt want to do that.....also read where they want the Browns #6, #22 , 1st round next year and next years 4th round......NO WAY! that price is way to high IMO.... i really look for them to trade down but stay in the top 12 may even stay put,
If Mike Lombardi is reporting it, you know it's incorrect. Dude is a hack.

To play devil's advocate, if that were the case, the Rams can either select RG3 for themselves or nobody will trade with them and he slides to #4 anyway. I like RG3 but I don't think even the Skins will pay THAT price.
Jan 18, 2012 4:57am
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Jan 18, 2012 5:06 AM
DeyDurkie5;1056681 wrote:I don't get the obsession with HAVING to get a qb. Yeah, we may suck next year, but we would a. fill holes and b. position ourselves highly next year to get a franchise qb(barkley). And even if we went with our qb's now, if we hit on our draft this year like we did last year, we would be in the playoffs..regardless of qb play.
They may NOT be in this position (drafting 4) again for awhile. This draft also has the better QB's.

I've mentioned this before. For argument's sake, for you Colt nuthuggers, let's say they stick with McCoy for 2012. He improves a tad, they win 6 games, but you still know he's not "the guy" even when surrounded by weapons. You have now basically fucked yourself because you're now selecting 8-10 in the draft and Barkley is the #1 pick. So now you have to wait ANOTHER year?

Sorry...I know this team may not be playoff caliber now but they have to strike while the iron's hot. Pittsburgh IS going to have a dropoff, imo, and I think Baltimore will too. Now is the time to "make hay." Baltimore is going to lose some key players and Pittsburgh has some salary cap decisions to make on some old players. They (Steelers) have also shown that as the season goes on they have issues staying healthy. They also have a 75 year old D-Coordinator.
Jan 18, 2012 5:06am
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Jan 18, 2012 8:19 AM
With Polian and Caldwell gone, rumors are heating up that the Colts won't retain Peyton.

1. Do the Browns take a shot at him? (Possibly, but i highly doubt they get him)

2. Hopefully he goes to the lolphins or deadskins. That would increase the Browns' chance to have RGIII drop to them.
Jan 18, 2012 8:19am
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Jan 18, 2012 8:24 AM
BR1986FB;1056778 wrote:They may NOT be in this position (drafting 4) again for awhile. This draft also has the better QB's.

I've mentioned this before. For argument's sake, for you Colt nuthuggers, let's say they stick with McCoy for 2012. He improves a tad, they win 6 games, but you still know he's not "the guy" even when surrounded by weapons. You have now basically ****ed yourself because you're now selecting 8-10 in the draft and Barkley is the #1 pick. So now you have to wait ANOTHER year?

Sorry...I know this team may not be playoff caliber now but they have to strike while the iron's hot. Pittsburgh IS going to have a dropoff, imo, and I think Baltimore will too. Now is the time to "make hay." Baltimore is going to lose some key players and Pittsburgh has some salary cap decisions to make on some old players. They (Steelers) have also shown that as the season goes on they have issues staying healthy. They also have a 75 year old D-Coordinator.
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for you Colt nuthuggers
I'm not sure anyone here is a colt nuthugger. Some, myself included, wouldn't mind putting some legit weapons around him and see how he does at that point, but would also be cool with taking a franchise QB and playing him from the start. If that makes us colt nuthuggers then keep on lookin like an idiot and calling us that every 3 posts.

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You have now basically ****ed yourself because you're now selecting 8-10 in the draft and Barkley is the #1 pick. So now you have to wait ANOTHER year?
Uhh, are you saying it's impossible to find a good QB in the 8-10 range? This season went pretty much as bad as it can go, and they still were not able to pick in the top 3. The Browns aren't "bad enough" to pick in the top 3 because they do, believe it or not, have a few pieces in place. Point is, they're never going to have the #1 overall pick to just be able to pick who you want. So you wait until it's your pick in the draft and if your franchise QB is there you take him. If he's not there, you upgrade other positions w/ BPA. You just don't have any patience and don't want to wait.

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Sorry...I know this team may not be playoff caliber now but they have to strike while the iron's hot. Pittsburgh IS going to have a dropoff, imo, and I think Baltimore will too. Now is the time to "make hay." Baltimore is going to lose some key players and Pittsburgh has some salary cap decisions to make on some old players. They (Steelers) have also shown that as the season goes on they have issues staying healthy. They also have a 75 year old D-Coordinator.
Delusional. You could put Tom Brady on this team, and it'd STILL be a dog fight for AFC North champs. Now if you were to say in 2-3 years, sure. But Pittsburgh and Baltimore are going to be really good again next year.
Jan 18, 2012 8:24am
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Jan 18, 2012 8:37 AM
like_that;1056828 wrote:With Polian and Caldwell gone, rumors are heating up that the Colts won't retain Peyton.

1. Do the Browns take a shot at him? (Possibly, but i highly doubt they get him)

2. Hopefully he goes to the lolphins or deadskins. That would increase the Browns' chance to have RGIII drop to them.
1. No

2. agreed
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Jan 18, 2012 8:45 AM
SportsAndLady;1056834 wrote:1)

I'm not sure anyone here is a colt nuthugger. Some, myself included, wouldn't mind putting some legit weapons around him and see how he does at that point, but would also be cool with taking a franchise QB and playing him from the start. If that makes us colt nuthuggers then keep on lookin like an idiot and calling us that every 3 posts.

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Uhh, are you saying it's impossible to find a good QB in the 8-10 range? This season went pretty much as bad as it can go, and they still were not able to pick in the top 3. The Browns aren't "bad enough" to pick in the top 3 because they do, believe it or not, have a few pieces in place. Point is, they're never going to have the #1 overall pick to just be able to pick who you want. So you wait until it's your pick in the draft and if your franchise QB is there you take him. If he's not there, you upgrade other positions w/ BPA. You just don't have any patience and don't want to wait.

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Delusional. You could put Tom Brady on this team, and it'd STILL be a dog fight for AFC North champs. Now if you were to say in 2-3 years, sure. But Pittsburgh and Baltimore are going to be really good again next year.
2) You want Landry Jones? He probably doesn't even fall to #8 or #10 next year. With the way last years draft went, I doubt Tannehill makes it past the Seahawks (think they pick 12 or 13) THIS year. And you're TOO patient. You're willing to wait and wait and wait as the Browns continue to suck while the other division foes reload.

3) Bullshit. You put a Brady or a Rodgers on this team and they would've been in the mix THIS year. You put a GOOD QB in this lineup with the added pieces and they are going to look leaps and bounds better than they do now.

Pittsburgh & Baltimore aren't going to fall apart overnight just due to the fact that the Browns and Bengals (not as much now) are usually 4 given wins on their schedule. The playoffs exposed Pittsburgh for the weak division and Baltimore was fortunate to get past Houston.

Steelers have some BIG decisions to make this offseason. They are $25 mill OVER the cap, I believe, and have to decide on guys like Hampton, Aaron Smith, Foote, Farrior, etc. Ravens have a few that could bolt in free agency and still have a QB that nobody fears. Hell, Ed Reed even threw Flacco under the bus for his performance against Houston.
Jan 18, 2012 8:45am
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Jan 18, 2012 8:59 AM
2) You want Landry Jones? He probably doesn't even fall to #8 or #10 next year. With the way last years draft went, I doubt Tannehill makes it past the Seahawks (think they pick 12 or 13) THIS year. And you're TOO patient. You're willing to wait and wait and wait as the Browns continue to suck while the other division foes reload.
My whole point is the Browns aren't going to get a top pick where they can choose the best QB available. They are going to either have to a) do their fucking job and scout the best QB after the obvious (Barkley next year..Luck and rg3 this year), or b) trade up. They have too many needs to sell the farm this year to do that. But say they have a really successful draft this year and almost everything is in place except for a QB, they can maybe look at trading up next year for Barkley if they really want.
3) Bull****. You put a Brady or a Rodgers on this team and they would've been in the mix THIS year. You put a GOOD QB in this lineup with the added pieces and they are going to look leaps and bounds better than they do now.
Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you just see "you put Tom Brady on this team..." and just assumed I said they would still be bad?

I said if you put Brady on this team this year, they would contend for the AFC North title, but it wouldn't be easy. For fucks sake, all 3 teams in our division made teh playoffs this year. And yeah, 2 of the 3 might have an aging defense, but they're still going to be there in 2012. Like I said, if you would have said in 2 or 3 years, I would have agreed. But this season, there is no fucking way the Browns are contending (unless of course they get a Brady or a Manning, which, aint happenin), so you might as well buy into the patience method and "wait your turn" before the Browns can compete.
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Jan 18, 2012 9:10 AM
SportsAndLady;1056862 wrote: Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you just see "you put Tom Brady on this team..." and just assumed I said they would still be bad?

I said if you put Brady on this team this year, they would contend for the AFC North title, but it wouldn't be easy. For fucks sake, all 3 teams in our division made teh playoffs this year. And yeah, 2 of the 3 might have an aging defense, but they're still going to be there in 2012. Like I said, if you would have said in 2 or 3 years, I would have agreed. But this season, there is no fucking way the Browns are contending (unless of course they get a Brady or a Manning, which, aint happenin), so you might as well buy into the patience method and "wait your turn" before the Browns can compete.
Yes, I read what you wrote. We're a little different. I'm PROACTIVE and ATTACK. Put your QB in place NOW so WHEN that "window" of Pittsburgh/Baltimore being down opens you're ready. While you are LAID BACK/REACTIVE..."wait until you have the pieces in place, while in the mean time the division opponents have had a chance to reload and we're back to square one, THEN get your QB after the window is closed."

I realize that a rookie QB most likely won't have an immediate "playoff type impact' in year one like an Andy Dalton but when the opportunity presents itself would you rather have a guy with a year or two under his belt or a green rookie?
Jan 18, 2012 9:10am
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Jan 18, 2012 9:17 AM
BR1986FB;1056869 wrote:Yes, I read what you wrote. We're a little different. I'm PROACTIVE and ATTACK. Put your QB in place NOW so WHEN that "window" of Pittsburgh/Baltimore being down opens you're ready. While you are LAID BACK/REACTIVE..."wait until you have the pieces in place, while in the mean time the division opponents have had a chance to reload and we're back to square one, THEN get your QB after the window is closed."

I realize that a rookie QB most likely won't have an immediate "playoff type impact' in year one like an Andy Dalton but when the opportunity presents itself would you rather have a guy with a year or two under his belt or a green rookie?
So you want to trade the farm to move up for rg3?

I just don't see where this impact QB is in this draft after Luck and rg3? I mean sure, if rg3 is there, absolutely take him. But he's not going to fall to the Browns at 4. It's simply not going to happen. So you want to take what? Tannehill?


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I'm PROACTIVE and ATTACK. Put your QB in place NOW so WHEN that "window" of Pittsburgh/Baltimore being down opens you're ready
that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard lol I want to win the Super Bowl, br. I don't want to just "wait til Pittsburgh/Baltimore fall off then be better than them." I want to be better than Pittsburgh/Baltimore WHILE THEY ARE STILL GOOD. I don't want to just limp into the playoffs because our division sucked. I want to be really good. And I also realize that in order to do that, you need patience. Sorry that you don't have it, but most logical Browns fans realize that Super Bowl teams aren't just built overnight. They have to a) put the pieces in place b) find your franchise QB (ever heard of Aaron Rodgers being taken in the 20s? LOL franchise QBs aren't going to be there at 8-10...) and c) get a coach in place--see:49ers.
Jan 18, 2012 9:17am
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Jan 18, 2012 9:23 AM
SportsAndLady;1056873 wrote:So you want to trade the farm to move up for rg3?

I just don't see where this impact QB is in this draft after Luck and rg3? I mean sure, if rg3 is there, absolutely take him. But he's not going to fall to the Browns at 4. It's simply not going to happen. So you want to take what? Tannehill?


By the way..


that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard lol I want to win the Super Bowl, br. I don't want to just "wait til Pittsburgh/Baltimore fall off then be better than them." I want to be better than Pittsburgh/Baltimore WHILE THEY ARE STILL GOOD. I don't want to just limp into the playoffs because our division sucked. I want to be really good. And I also realize that in order to do that, you need patience. Sorry that you don't have it, but most logical Browns fans realize that Super Bowl teams aren't just built overnight. They have to a) put the pieces in place b) find your franchise QB (ever heard of Aaron Rodgers being taken in the 20s? LOL franchise QBs aren't going to be there at 8-10...) and c) get a coach in place--see:49ers.
Who is "trading the farm" for RG3? He can probably be had without giving up both 1sts. Trading a 1st & a 2nd for a franchise QB ISN'T "selling the farm."

And as to your second point, HOW many times am I going to have to explain that you can do BOTH. You can get RG3 and put the pieces in place through the draft & FA. SMH...THICK as a brick.
Jan 18, 2012 9:23am
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Jan 18, 2012 9:34 AM
BR1986FB;1056883 wrote:Who is "trading the farm" for RG3? He can probably be had without giving up both 1sts. Trading a 1st & a 2nd for a franchise QB ISN'T "selling the farm."
Haha, yeah, the Rams are just going to move back a few places and add a 2nd rounder....riiiiiight. And I have some beach front property I want to sell you br...

It will take our first this year, and our first next year. And then a 2nd-4th in there somewhere, too.
BR1986FB;1056883 wrote:And as to your second point, HOW many times am I going to have to explain that you can do BOTH. You can get RG3 and put the pieces in place through the draft & FA. SMH...THICK as a brick.
How? In what fantasy land do you live in that you think the Cleveland Browns are capable of moving up in a draft to select a franchise QB, have that franchise QB fit the offense we have in place, have that franchise QB actually pan out, are able to pick up these free agent WRs that never actually want to sign with the Browns, and pick up weapons in the same draft that you sold a few picks to get your franchise QB?

And even at that point, that'll make them competitive, MAYYYYBE even sneak into the playoffs i.e. the Bengals this year. But then what? They still have to add depth to be a SB contender, and some of those picks to make that happen are gone because you got rg3. They have to have a successful 2013 draft, too.

Super Bowl teams aren't built overnight, you're in loony land if you think it's just that easy. Oh it's no big deal we'll just trade up for practically nothing (we'll just swap our first round picks, and throw them a 2nd rounder!) and get our franchise pro bowl QB who 100% will not fail, and then we'll pick up 2 really good free agent receivers and TE's, and then we'll select a Mike Wallace in the third round, oh and then we'll shore up that defense by getting a really mean, nasty LB with our 2nd round pick.....delusion at it's finest.
Jan 18, 2012 9:34am
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Jan 18, 2012 9:40 AM
SportsAndLady;1056895 wrote:Haha, yeah, the Rams are just going to move back a few places and add a 2nd rounder....riiiiiight. And I have some beach front property I want to sell you br...

It will take our first this year, and our first next year. And then a 2nd-4th in there somewhere, too.
Normally, I would agree with this but not if the Rams target is Blackmon or Kalil. Those guys will be gone if they trade down to Washington or Miami. St Louis can trade down to #4, add an extra pick and STILL get their guy. I don't think the cost to move up is going to be NEARLY as steep as you think.
Jan 18, 2012 9:40am
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Jan 18, 2012 9:44 AM
BR1986FB;1056908 wrote:Normally, I would agree with this but not if the Rams target is Blackmon or Kalil. Those guys will be gone if they trade down to Washington or Miami. St Louis can trade down to #4, add an extra pick and STILL get their guy. I don't think the cost to move up is going to be NEARLY as steep as you think.
If their target is Blackmon or Kalil they will be perfectly contempt with staying put at #2!

Then, it would take a HUGE offer to get them out of that #2 spot.
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Jan 18, 2012 9:46 AM
SportsAndLady;1056917 wrote:If their target is Blackmon or Kalil they will be perfectly contempt with staying put at #2!

Then, it would take a HUGE offer to get them out of that #2 spot.
OR they could trade down two spots, get another draft pick, and be assured of also getting either Blackmon or Kalil. Minnesota can't select BOTH at #3.
Jan 18, 2012 9:46am
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Jan 18, 2012 9:56 AM
I think we should get Peyton Manning, Desaun Jackson, Marshawn Lynch, Dwayne Bowe, Mario Williams and Curtis Lofton.
Jan 18, 2012 9:56am
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Jan 18, 2012 10:01 AM
wes_mantooth;1056939 wrote:I think we should get Peyton Manning, Desaun Jackson, Marshawn Lynch, Dwayne Bowe, Mario Williams and Curtis Lofton.
Desaun Jackson isn't a real player, MORAN
Jan 18, 2012 10:01am
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Jan 18, 2012 10:02 AM
BR1986FB;1056920 wrote:OR they could trade down two spots, get another draft pick, and be assured of also getting either Blackmon or Kalil. Minnesota can't select BOTH at #3.
That's true, I didn't think about that.

But my guess is the lolphins or 'skins will throw them a more enticing offer.
Jan 18, 2012 10:02am