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2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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Apr 26, 2012 7:33 PM
dazedconfused;1154029 wrote:gave up the falcons fourth rounder to boot
Exactly....They gave up their own 5th but that's no big deal since they still have a pick in that round anyways. 13 rookies aren't going to be making this roster.
Apr 26, 2012 7:33pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:34 PM
1. There is absolutely no guarantee that Richardson wouldn't have been available at #4.
2. The NFL is more of a passing league than it's ever been.
3. The Browns have roughly 26 holes to fill. I'm not for giving up picks unless it's absolutely necessary.

To move up 1 spot, to take a guy who might have been available anyway, to fill a position that has greatly diminished in terms of the importance of having a workhorse (so much that many teams now prefer a 2-back system), when none of those other holes have been filled?

That doesn't scream absolutely necessary to me.

Richardson is a beast and I think he'll have a great career. I would have accepted the pick at 4 (but not been thrilled), but to give up 3 picks to move up for him is awful. Who's the last running back to put a team over the top?

It sure as hell wasn't Montario Hardesty (aren't you glad we gave up a 3rd and two 5ths to move up for him?)
Apr 26, 2012 7:34pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:35 PM
Fine with the trade especially since we are getting Trich.
Apr 26, 2012 7:35pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:35 PM
IggyPride00;1154036 wrote:Here are our 4/5/7 round picks the past 5 years.

These are the kind of guys you get in those rounds.

There is not one player on that list that is anywhere near the kind of player you would pass up a guarantee of TR to have. Not one, not the whole list.

1 Trent Richardson is worth more than 3 mediocre players as far as the impact he can have on the Browns.
Yeah because it'd be impossible for the Browns to grab a good player in rounds 4-7 because they haven't in the past..:rolleyes:

Do you want me to list all the good, impact players drafted in rounds 4-7?
Apr 26, 2012 7:35pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:36 PM
Minnesota gets exactly what they want because they talked the Browns into being scared. Complete ownage by their front office.

I'm not livid about giving up a 3rd and 6th rounder to make sure we get our guy, but I highly doubt it was necessary.
Apr 26, 2012 7:36pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:36 PM
Mulva;1154039 wrote:1. There is absolutely no guarantee that Richardson wouldn't have been available at #4.
2. The NFL is more of a passing league than it's ever been.
3. The Browns have roughly 26 holes to fill. I'm not for giving up picks unless it's absolutely necessary.

To move up 1 spot, to take a guy who might have been available anyway, to fill a position that has greatly diminished in terms of the importance of having a workhorse (so much that many teams now prefer a 2-back system), when none of those other holes have been filled?

That doesn't scream absolutely necessary to me.

Richardson is a beast and I think he'll have a great career. I would have accepted the pick at 4 (but not been thrilled), but to give up 3 picks to move up for him is awful. Who's the last running back to put a team over the top?

It sure as hell wasn't Montario Hardesty (aren't you glad we gave up a 3rd and two 5ths to move up for him?)
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Apr 26, 2012 7:36pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:37 PM
2kool4skool;1154042 wrote:Minnesota gets exactly what they want because they talked the Browns into being scared. Complete ownage by their front office.

I'm not livid about giving up a 3rd and 6th rounder to make sure we get our guy, but I highly doubt it was necessary.
It wasn't a 3rd and 6th rounder.

4th, 5th, and 7th I think it was
Apr 26, 2012 7:37pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:37 PM
2kool4skool;1154042 wrote:Minnesota gets exactly what they want because they talked the Browns into being scared. Complete ownage by their front office.

I'm not livid about giving up a 3rd and 6th rounder to make sure we get our guy, but I highly doubt it was necessary.
They gave up a 4th, 5th & 7th
Apr 26, 2012 7:37pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:38 PM
SportsAndLady;1154041 wrote:Yeah because it'd be impossible for the Browns to grab a good player in rounds 4-7 because they haven't in the past..:rolleyes:

Do you want me to list all the good, impact players drafted in rounds 4-7?
I am more worried about what the Cleveland Browns have done, not other teams. We haven't been able to find those 4-7 round impact players, so I would rather have the guarantee of a stud over the lottery chance of maybe finding a mid round steal.

Apr 26, 2012 7:38pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:38 PM
SportsAndLady;1154045 wrote:It wasn't a 3rd and 6th rounder.

4th, 5th, and 7th I think it was
BR1986FB;1154046 wrote:They gave up a 4th, 5th & 7th
That's actually a little worse imo. My thoughts still stand though.
Apr 26, 2012 7:38pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:39 PM
Vikes looking to trade down again with JAX.
Apr 26, 2012 7:39pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:41 PM
Browns looking to move UP from 22 per Adkins...
Apr 26, 2012 7:41pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:41 PM
I like the deal personally. The 4th rounder could be a player. But the 5th and 7th, eh...
Apr 26, 2012 7:41pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:44 PM
If the Browns got Richardson and Floyd, I'd get a boner.
Apr 26, 2012 7:44pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:44 PM
Get Richardson, use the next 2 picks on 2 WRs. I want to watch the Browns score TDs this year. Our defense isn't great, but its not bad either. Just think how good they would be if they weren't on the field every 3 minutes.
Apr 26, 2012 7:44pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:47 PM
sleeper;1154059 wrote:Get Richardson, use the next 2 picks on 2 WRs. I want to watch the Browns score TDs this year. Our defense isn't great, but its not bad either. Just think how good they would be if they weren't on the field every 3 minutes.
Yeah the defense alwyas gave up late TDs because they were always on the field. It'd be impossible to sustain that good of play for 48 min every game. They'll improve greatly simply by the offense improving and staying on the damn field.
Apr 26, 2012 7:47pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:47 PM
Is there any reason other than targeting Floyd that the Browns would be trying to move up from 22?

Richardson and Floyd would be fantastic. Would completely give our offense a new identity.
Apr 26, 2012 7:47pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:49 PM
2kool4skool;1154062 wrote:Is there any reason other than targeting Floyd that the Browns would be trying to move up from 22?

Richardson and Floyd would be fantastic. Would completely give our offense a new identity.

Six to midnight..
Apr 26, 2012 7:49pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:50 PM
2kool4skool;1154062 wrote:Is there any reason other than targeting Floyd that the Browns would be trying to move up from 22?

Richardson and Floyd would be fantastic. Would completely give our offense a new identity.
+1

I'd love to grab Floyd, even if it means trading up to get him.
Apr 26, 2012 7:50pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:51 PM
This is, however, exactly how I expected H&H to draft early though...improve your skill positions and get a RT (2nd rounder, they'll get a tackle). Don't trade away next year's picks because they'll package those to get a top QB next year. Stick your franchise QB in an offense w/ offensive weapons and a good O-line = how you do it

And they'll completely contradict all of this if they fuck around and get Weeden
Apr 26, 2012 7:51pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:51 PM
I just thought of something scary...are they moving up from 22 to possibly get Tannafail?
Apr 26, 2012 7:51pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:52 PM
If what it takes is 22 and 37, is there any fan who wouldn't be okay with that?

Would much rather have Floyd than Kendall Wright and Mike Adams or whatever combo they go with at 22/37.
Apr 26, 2012 7:52pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:53 PM
SportsAndLady;1154066 wrote:I just thought of something scary...are they moving up from 22 to possibly get Tannafail?
They just said Heckert said something about getting a WR and they "had ONE guy in mind."
Apr 26, 2012 7:53pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:54 PM
Aren't you guys glad they aren't trading down? And that they are getting skill guys, not trading up to get an OL?
Apr 26, 2012 7:54pm
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Apr 26, 2012 7:55 PM
2kool4skool;1154067 wrote:If what it takes is 22 and 37, is there any fan who wouldn't be okay with that?

Would much rather have Floyd than Kendall Wright and Mike Adams or whatever combo they go with at 22/37.

I am fine with it....arguably the two best players at their positions....love it
Apr 26, 2012 7:55pm