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Jan 14, 2012 12:50 PM
wes_mantooth;1052025 wrote:I am of the thought that head coaches get way too much credit or blame. Mike Brown's job was to stay the hell out of Lebron's way for the most part. These super teams don't respect or even listen to their coach in my opinion.
Agree about Mike Brown. Dont think that is the case for Phil, though. Players respected him.
Jan 14, 2012 12:50pm
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Jan 14, 2012 12:52 PM
Pick6;1052032 wrote:Agree about Mike Brown. Dont think that is the case for Phil, though. Players respected him.
Yeah, there are def a few. It isn't Xs and Os though...it is all about managing gigantic egos.
Jan 14, 2012 12:52pm
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Jan 14, 2012 1:14 PM
Pick6;1052031 wrote:none of them had a player like Lebron James to work with.
So Lebron is ringless because Mike Brown can't Coach?
Jan 14, 2012 1:14pm
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Jan 14, 2012 1:15 PM
Skyhook79;1052048 wrote:So Lebron is ringless because Mike Brown can't Coach?
Lebron had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh on his team last year and didn't win. LOL @ Pick6.
Jan 14, 2012 1:15pm
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Jan 14, 2012 1:20 PM
jordo212000;1052050 wrote:Lebron had Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh on his team last year and didn't win. LOL @ Pick6.
Did I say Spoelstra is a good coach? You know what they say about assuming...
Jan 14, 2012 1:20pm
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Jan 14, 2012 1:25 PM
Pick6;1052054 wrote:Did I say Spoelstra is a good coach? You know what they say about assuming...
Was Barry Switzer a good NFL Coach?
Jan 14, 2012 1:25pm
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Jan 14, 2012 2:21 PM
Let's talk about the Cavs.

I'm really starting to like MKG for the Cavs more than Barnes. MKG has a great all-around game. I think he's a more complete player than Barnes.
Jan 14, 2012 2:21pm
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Jan 14, 2012 2:23 PM
se-alum;1052124 wrote:Let's talk about the Cavs.

I'm really starting to like MKG for the Cavs more than Barnes. MKG has a great all-around game. I think he's a more complete player than Barnes.

Agreed. I think mkg will be the best out of this class. Either him Davis or lamb
Jan 14, 2012 2:23pm
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Jan 14, 2012 2:45 PM
robj55;1052136 wrote:what's funny is Troy Smith has comparable numbers to Tim Tebow, who people worship.
Except Troy Smith has the same amt of career passing yds as Tebow this year and Troy Smith is 4-4 as a starter and Tebow is 10-5 and Tebow has more TD passes in 1 year than Smith in his career and Tebow led his team to a Playoff victory and Smith didn't, Tebow 6 4th qtr come fom behind wins this year Smith has none in his career other than that pretty similar.
Jan 14, 2012 2:45pm
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Jan 14, 2012 2:57 PM
se-alum;1052124 wrote:Let's talk about the Cavs.

I'm really starting to like MKG for the Cavs more than Barnes. MKG has a great all-around game. I think he's a more complete player than Barnes.
Not sure I agree with that (in terms of fitting with the Cavs). He's a great defender and a hard worker, but his offensive game isn't anything impressive. He doesn't have much range and he isn't a great passer or ball handler for a 3, which is where he'll obviously be playing at the next level.

We don't have much scoring ability in the post (and I don't see any on the horizon, even if Anderson is traded), so the wings need to be able to fill it up to take pressure off of Kyrie. I think he's got a very low bust factor, but he's a slasher/defender and I don't think that's a great fit for what the Cavs need.

Sort of like the Sixers drafting ET. Good player, questionable fit. I like him, but no way I take him over Barnes or Lamb if you have the option, which the Cavs likely won't.
Jan 14, 2012 2:57pm
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Jan 14, 2012 3:00 PM
SMH, why does turdo even post on this thread? Such a douche bag, doesn't even know what he is every talking about. It's quite comical and pathetic.
Jan 14, 2012 3:00pm
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Jan 14, 2012 3:08 PM
Commander of Awesome;1052152 wrote:SMH, why does turdo even post on this thread? Such a douche bag, doesn't even know what he is every talking about. It's quite comical and pathetic.
Seriously, I hopped on here to read a Cavs thread, not to see that little pest posting more garbage

If he really thinks that Mike Brown is a better coach than Byron Scott he knows NOTHING about the game of basketball
Jan 14, 2012 3:08pm
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Jan 14, 2012 3:12 PM
KR1245;1052158 wrote:Seriously, I hopped on here to read a Cavs thread, not to see that little pest posting more garbage

If he really thinks that Mike Brown is a better coach than Byron Scott he knows NOTHING about the game of basketball
Reps.

It's funny how he trashed Mike Brown with the Cavs too. SMH.
Jan 14, 2012 3:12pm
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Jan 14, 2012 3:13 PM
Mulva;1052149 wrote:Not sure I agree with that (in terms of fitting with the Cavs). He's a great defender and a hard worker, but his offensive game isn't anything impressive. He doesn't have much range and he isn't a great passer or ball handler for a 3, which is where he'll obviously be playing at the next level.

We don't have much scoring ability in the post (and I don't see any on the horizon, even if Anderson is traded), so the wings need to be able to fill it up to take pressure off of Kyrie. I think he's got a very low bust factor, but he's a slasher/defender and I don't think that's a great fit for what the Cavs need.

Sort of like the Sixers drafting ET. Good player, questionable fit. I like him, but no way I take him over Barnes or Lamb if you have the option, which the Cavs likely won't.
It depends on where they pick. If guys like Davis and Drummond are gone then the Cavs might have to take the BPA and that could easily be MKG. It sounds like they love Barnes but I really dont see this Cavs team getting a top 5 pick and Barnes will be gone, I could see MKG sitting there between 7-10
Jan 14, 2012 3:13pm
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Jan 14, 2012 3:27 PM
Skyhook79;1052143 wrote:Except Troy Smith has the same amt of career passing yds as Tebow this year and Troy Smith is 4-4 as a starter and Tebow is 10-5 and Tebow has more TD passes in 1 year than Smith in his career and Tebow led his team to a Playoff victory and Smith didn't, Tebow 6 4th qtr come fom behind wins this year Smith has none in his career other than that pretty similar.
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Jan 14, 2012 3:27pm
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Jan 14, 2012 3:28 PM
Pick6;1052032 wrote:Agree about Mike Brown. Dont think that is the case for Phil, though. Players respected him.
Agree. How the heck are they going to run the Triangle if they don't listen to/respect him?
Jan 14, 2012 3:28pm
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Jan 14, 2012 3:47 PM
BR1986FB;1052174 wrote:Agree. How the heck are they going to run the Triangle if they don't listen to/respect him?
He needs Kobe to respect him, and the others will follow.
Jan 14, 2012 3:47pm
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Jan 14, 2012 3:49 PM
MKG would be interesting, considering him and Kyrie were high school teammates. But I still want Jeremy Lamb or Barnes.
Jan 14, 2012 3:49pm
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Jan 14, 2012 4:04 PM
Commander of Awesome;1052162 wrote:Reps.

It's funny how he trashed Mike Brown with the Cavs too. SMH.
Bingo! Was just about to post this myself... jordo was always critical of Mike Brown while Brown was with the Cavs.. Now all of a sudden, Brown is a great coach.

Brown is doing the same thing in LA that he did in Cleveland... No offensive movement, ball dies in his superstars hands.
Jan 14, 2012 4:04pm
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Jan 14, 2012 4:08 PM
TigerNation10;1052181 wrote:MKG would be interesting, considering him and Kyrie were high school teammates. But I still want Jeremy Lamb or Barnes.
Barnes is a more complete offensive player than MKG...

I sort of think Barnes will be the player that excels in the NBA scoring wise and people will say "Why wasn't he doing this at UNC?"

Nobody in this upcoming draft has the offensive array that Barnes possess. MKG is a bit more complete defensively and rebounding wise.

T2 has been displaying a knack for scoring in the post, he had some nice moves against the Lakers last night and has been displaying a pretty good 10-12' jumpshot... Those offensive moves will only improve with a full offseason.
Jan 14, 2012 4:08pm
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Jan 14, 2012 4:46 PM
I actually really want lamb. He is a perfect complement to kyrie. He has a damn good jumper and has those long lanky arms that causes problems on d
Jan 14, 2012 4:46pm
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Jan 14, 2012 5:25 PM
hoops23;1052194 wrote:Bingo! Was just about to post this myself... jordo was always critical of Mike Brown while Brown was with the Cavs.. Now all of a sudden, Brown is a great coach.

Brown is doing the same thing in LA that he did in Cleveland... No offensive movement, ball dies in his superstars hands.

You can be critical of somebody and still respect their ability.
Jan 14, 2012 5:25pm