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Jan 5, 2012 10:08 PM
hoops23;1040317 wrote:He claims to be a Browns fan so he can try and troll their threads without as much flack. People caught onto that BS though.
Ah yeah, also known as the crynasty approach.
Jan 5, 2012 10:08pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:08 PM
hoops23;1040502 wrote:Kyrie is going to be a star. People got way too caught up in the "weak class" bs. Kyrie is one of the top picks no matter the class. His speed, quickness, leadership, the ability to shoot from anywhere and his playmaking ability are fantastic.

In fact, this draft class isn't looking too weak in the NBA right now.
I think if Barnes had come out it would have been a tough choice for the Cavs.
Jan 5, 2012 10:08pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:12 PM
Commander of Awesome;1040523 wrote:I think if Barnes had come out it would have been a tough choice for the Cavs.

I know a lot of people are high on Barnes, but consider me skeptical. I really don't see the superstar in Barnes. Solid player, absolutely. Franchise changer? I don't see it..
Jan 5, 2012 10:12pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:13 PM
SportsAndLady;1040535 wrote:I know a lot of people are high on Barnes, but consider me skeptical. I really don't see the superstar in Barnes. Solid player, absolutely. Franchise changer? I don't see it..
GTFO!!!!!




For real though, I can see why you say that.
Jan 5, 2012 10:13pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:15 PM
wildcats20;1040539 wrote:GTFO!!!!!




For real though, I can see why you say that.

Haha speaking of you..I forgot to mention you in the Lakers thread...consider this my apology.
Jan 5, 2012 10:15pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:18 PM
SportsAndLady;1040543 wrote:Haha speaking of you..I forgot to mention you in the Lakers thread...consider this my apology.
I refuse to post on that thread
Jan 5, 2012 10:18pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:19 PM
wildcats20;1040548 wrote:I refuse to post on that thread

Lol..I don't see you as a blackberry laker fan anyways..
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Jan 5, 2012 10:20 PM
SportsAndLady;1040543 wrote:Haha speaking of you..I forgot to mention you in the Lakers thread...consider this my apology.
Forgot another Laker fan...also a Michigan football/Duke Basketball fan. He and wildcat are not in the same zip code as skyhook and 2quik for being annoying Laker fans.
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Jan 5, 2012 10:21 PM
SportsAndLady;1040550 wrote:Lol..I don't see you as a blackberry laker fan anyways..
I do unfortunately have a BB though. lol
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Jan 5, 2012 10:23 PM
sportswizuhrd;1040554 wrote:Forgot another Laker fan...also a Michigan football/Duke Basketball fan. He and wildcat are not in the same zip code as skyhook and 2quik for being annoying Laker fans.

You talking about true blue? I think I mentioned him somewhere
Jan 5, 2012 10:23pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:23 PM
sportswizuhrd;1040554 wrote: wildcat are not in the same zip code as skyhook and 2quik for being annoying Laker fans.
Agreed.
Jan 5, 2012 10:23pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:23 PM
Anyway...

I haven't seen A LOT of the Cavs, but in the little amount that I have seen; Kyrie has been a nice "surprise."

I expected him to come in and play well. But he has exceeded my expectations. His ceiling could be limitless....
Jan 5, 2012 10:23pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:24 PM
SportsAndLady;1040566 wrote:You talking about true blue? I think I mentioned him somewhere
He sucks. Damn ginger.
Jan 5, 2012 10:24pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:31 PM
lol at Chris Posh, playing like a chump with the Wade and LBJ out.
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Jan 5, 2012 10:36 PM
wildcats20;1040569 wrote:Anyway...

I haven't seen A LOT of the Cavs, but in the little amount that I have seen; Kyrie has been a nice "surprise."

I expected him to come in and play well. But he has exceeded my expectations. His ceiling could be limitless....
I think he lacks the athleticism to be an elite top 10 player but I think he'll be very good player.
Jan 5, 2012 10:36pm
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Jan 5, 2012 10:52 PM
wildcats20;1040548 wrote:I refuse to post on that thread

k. If you say so.
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Jan 5, 2012 10:55 PM
Skyhook79;1040614 wrote:k. If you say so.
Yeah I forgot I had already posted.
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Jan 5, 2012 11:56 PM
Commander of Awesome;1040595 wrote:I think he lacks the athleticism to be an elite top 10 player but I think he'll be very good player.
Are you talking about Barnes or Kyrie?

Kyrie definitely doesn't lack athleticism... He lacks the explosiveness of a guy like Rose or Westbrook, but that doesn't make or break his potential. CP3 never had that kind of explosion either. And while Kyrie may not be a high riser like Rose or Westbrook, he's definitely just about as fast as those guys. His end-to-end speed is ridiculous.

I posted Kyrie and CP3's stats and they are very similar despite CP3 playing about ~10 minutes more. Kyrie is a much better shooter as a rookie than CP3 was as well.

Again, people really bought into the "weak draft" bs.

Harrison Barnes will be a good player, but I think he lacks the elite athleticism at SF to be an elite type of player. I truly see him as a Joe Johnson type with a ceiling of Paul Pierce. Guys who were never considered as the best during their prime, but could be argued as a top 10-15 player.

With Kyrie and T2, Barnes would be a great complimentary piece because he's an elite scorer.
Jan 5, 2012 11:56pm
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Jan 6, 2012 12:16 AM
Commander of Awesome;1040595 wrote:I think he lacks the athleticism to be an elite top 10 player but I think he'll be very good player.
You dont think Kyrie is a great athlete? Idk, ive seen some highlight tapes of him goin up and dunking with authority with both hands and he also has a VERY quick first step and some great top end speed. Id say hes one of the better athletes at the PG position

I think before the season I predicted him in one of those threads to put up 18 and 7 with a few rebounds per game. Might be a bit too lofty, but if he gets some more minutes its def obtainable
Jan 6, 2012 12:16am
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Jan 6, 2012 12:29 AM
Kyrie can definitely get up and throw it down. He's a very good shot blocker and rebounder as a PG as well.

I just love his true PG abilities, speed, and how well he takes care of the ball. His handles are sick too.
Jan 6, 2012 12:29am
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Jan 6, 2012 12:30 AM
Yeah, the Cavs really got a great player to build around IMO. Not sure who they should pick up in this years draft though, not really sold on Barnes being all that great at the next level. They def need a wing scorer though
Jan 6, 2012 12:30am
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Jan 6, 2012 12:37 AM
Hb31187;1040759 wrote:Yeah, the Cavs really got a great player to build around IMO. Not sure who they should pick up in this years draft though, not really sold on Barnes being all that great at the next level. They def need a wing scorer though
kidd-gilchrist would be a good get if the cavs are bad enough this season for another top five pick
Jan 6, 2012 12:37am
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Jan 6, 2012 12:44 AM
hoops23;1040727 wrote:Again, people really bought into the "weak draft" bs.
It was a weak draft.
Jan 6, 2012 12:44am
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Jan 6, 2012 12:50 AM
Mulva;1040773 wrote:It was a weak draft.
So did you not get my point?

People bought into the weak draft argument and some assumed that meant every player in the draft was "weak"...

That's simply not true. The talent my not have been as deep as other classes, but that doesn't mean there wasn't legit talent.

Again, Kyrie Irving goes towards the top of ANY draft.

In terms of it being a weak draft, there are several players contributing to teams right now. Aside from Kyrie and T2, you have Brandon Knight, Jimmer, Kemba, Norris Cole, and Marshon Brooks all playing solidly right now.
Jan 6, 2012 12:50am
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Jan 6, 2012 1:01 AM
Kemba and Jimmer are both shooting under 37%. They're getting minutes because they were high draft picks on horrible teams, but that doesn't mean they're playing "solidly". Rookie stats are overrated though. Not everyone is ready to play immediately coming into the league. Projecting forward, I don't see many current rookies being high impact players, and that's why I think it was a weak class.

I did miss your point about a weak draft meaning every player in it is weak though, and I honestly didn't hear anybody say that heading into the draft last year. I remember people being very high on Kyrie and Williams. The questions started after that.
Jan 6, 2012 1:01am