gerb131;1075542 wrote:Fuck that shit. He ran and ran and ran and ran and ran and ran. He tagged Nick a cpl time no doubt but thats shitty.

Cry more.

Diaz lost, Condit landed and threw more strikes and easily landed the more significant strikes. Diaz landed very few significant strikes.

gerb131;1075547 wrote:That was clown ****. He prob ran 5 miles.

He landed more strikes than Diaz while doing that running. Stick then move.

I had it:
1: Condit
2: Diaz
3: Condit
4: Condit (most clear round)
5: Diaz because of the takedown and sub attempt but previous to it it was all Condit.

Dana white istaking a beaing on twitter from people who say diaz won

Diaz ran his mouth more than He landed

I missed this entire card.

Hope this helps??

bradmaynard;1075549 wrote:He landed more strikes than Diaz while doing that running. Stick then move.

His move and move won him the fight. Nick pressed the whole time. Condit landed some good strikes no denying that. If nothing else it was a draw.

That 25mins with GSP and Condit will be like Koscheck in his TUF days. Boring but effective.
I hope Nick comes back he better not leave on that note.

gerb131;1075556 wrote:His move and move won him the fight. Nick pressed the whole time. Condit landed some good strikes no denying that. If nothing else it was a draw.

No. Condit landed easily the better shots. Nick landed maybe 5 decent shots the whole time. Carlos landed like 394273988 good leg kicks, at least two head kicks, a nice teep to the face, just a couple less body shots than Diaz, etc.

Condit beat him.

gerb131;1075556 wrote:His move and move won him the fight. Nick pressed the whole time. Condit landed some good strikes no denying that. If nothing else it was a draw.

If you evade and then strike, and land more strikes then your opponent, while evading, isn't that what we call footwork? Is footwork not an important component of MMA anymore? If Diaz wanted to counter that he should have taken Condit down more. No one with half a brain would stand and jab with Diaz against the fence (which is where he leads you), especially not when you work leg strikes mostly. If you can't understand footwork, range, and technique then I guess I can see how you saw Diaz as the winner over Condit.

Both Guys on the UFC post fight show had Condit winning the fight also

I had Nick winning the first 2 rounds and the 5th. Very close fight and tough to swallow. Nick was the aggressor but Carlos had great movement. Nick landed twice as many punches but Carlos landed more leg kicks. Greg Jackson at it's finest. Disappointed because Nick came to fight but Carlos had the right game plan to win a decision.

robj55;1075571 wrote:I had Nick winning the first 2 rounds and the 5th. Very close fight and tough to swallow. Nick was the aggressor but Carlos had great movement. Nick landed twice as many punches but Carlos landed more leg kicks. Greg Jackson at it's finest. Disappointed because Nick came to fight but Carlos had the right game plan to win a decision.

I didn't think Nick really landed more punches.

Either way, Carlos had 151 significant strikes to Diaz's 105. That's a big gap.

I don't think this was at all a Greg Jackson "boring, win the points fight". My dad isn't really that into MMA and he had Condit winning because he recognized that Condit got the better of the striking. Moving backwards or forwards is irrelevant.

I Wear Pants;1075572 wrote:I didn't think Nick really landed more punches.

Either way, Carlos had 151 significant strikes to Diaz's 105. That's a big gap.

I don't think this was at all a Greg Jackson "boring, win the points fight". My dad isn't really that into MMA and he had Condit winning because he recognized that Condit got the better of the striking. Moving backwards or forwards is irrelevant.

Nick landed twice as many punches, but Carlos landed a ton of leg kicks, I thought Nick landed some good kicks too. Nick stalked him but Carlos had a great game plan to circle and run away when Diaz closed the distance. It was a good fight just not what I thought it would be.

robj55;1075573 wrote:Nick landed twice as many punches, but Carlos landed a ton of leg kicks, I thought Nick landed some good kicks too. Nick stalked him but Carlos had a great game plan to circle and run away when Diaz closed the distance. It was a good fight just not what I thought it would be.

Why do you discount the leg kicks. And Nick will always throw a ton of punches and land a ton, but I don't think he landed nearly as many hard ones that he usually does or to match the number that Condit landed.

It seems like the people who were disappointed or upset just wanted Carlos to fight exactly the fight Diaz wanted him to. Why would he do that?

I Wear Pants;1075574 wrote:Why do you discount the leg kicks. And Nick will always throw a ton of punches and land a ton, but I don't think he landed nearly as many hard ones that he usually does or to match the number that Condit landed.

It seems like the people who were disappointed or upset just wanted Carlos to fight exactly the fight Diaz wanted him to. Why would he do that?

Not discounting, I thought Nick threw a lot of kicks and landed quite a few as well. Nick came to fight and Carlos came to survive imo. Nick was the aggressor in the first two rounds and landed more. 3rd round was the closest of the fight imo. 4th round was all Condit and the 5th was even on the feet and Nick got a take down and nearly submitted him twice. Not mad at the decision I could see them scoring it either way.

Walking forward does not = aggressor.

Nick landed not even close to the amount or quality of leg or head or body kicks. Most all of them were checked or blocked. Not so for Condits.

I had Condit winning the first because despite Nick moving forward I thought Condit landed better/cleaner strikes.
Second I had Diaz mostly because of that nice body combo he had.
Third was Condit for the same reasons as the first.
Fourth was clearly Condit.
Fifth Condit got the better of the striking but I'll give Diaz the round for the take down/sub attempts.

Again though, you say Diaz threw a lot of kicks. But he didn't throw nearly as many and didn't land an amount in the same ballpark, and the ones Condit landed were far better kicks. So how much is moving forward really supposed to be worth in a fight?

I see this sort of like a Bas Rutten/Randleman decision. Sure Randleman had the top position nearly the whole time but he didn't do any damage with it (save for the beginning of the fight), Bas was more effective even though it was from his back mostly. Just like Condit was more effective even though he was moving backwards. And the "running" I saw as him having great footwork and avoiding being pressed against the cage. What did you want him to do in that situation, seriously?Tons of people disagree but in the end it was the right one according to the scoring.

I guess I just put damage as a more important factor than control.

I Wear Pants;1075577 wrote:Walking forward does not = aggressor.

Nick landed not even close to the amount or quality of leg or head or body kicks. Most all of them were checked or blocked. Not so for Condits.

I had Condit winning the first because despite Nick moving forward I thought Condit landed better/cleaner strikes.
Second I had Diaz mostly because of that nice body combo he had.
Third was Condit for the same reasons as the first.
Fourth was clearly Condit.
Fifth Condit got the better of the striking but I'll give Diaz the round for the take down/sub attempts.

Again though, you say Diaz threw a lot of kicks. But he didn't throw nearly as many and didn't land an amount in the same ballpark, and the ones Condit landed were far better kicks. So how much is moving forward really supposed to be worth in a fight?

I see this sort of like a Bas Rutten/Randleman decision. Sure Randleman had the top position nearly the whole time but he didn't do any damage with it (save for the beginning of the fight), Bas was more effective even though it was from his back mostly. Just like Condit was more effective even though he was moving backwards. And the "running" I saw as him having great footwork and avoiding being pressed against the cage. What did you want him to do in that situation, seriously?Tons of people disagree but in the end it was the right one according to the scoring.

I guess I just put damage as a more important factor than control.

My take on it is that when damage and strikes landed are near equal the aggressor should win the fight. Not bashing Condit but he did not come to fight, he came to win on points. I lose respect for him for that but I understand why he did it. I thought Nick won rounds 1 and 2 with his strikes and aggression. 3rd round was close but I gave it to Condit, 4th was all Condit and the 5th was even in the exchanges and Nick nearly finished him twice. Like I said, you can't complain about the decision because it could have went either way.

I get that. I just don't think it was that close as far as damage or strikes landed. Condit landed nearly 50% more significant strikes than Diaz did. As for damage, just look at them, Condit had a bit of redness under his right eye and his left side was reddened. Diaz's leg is probably terrible colors and his faces was far more battered.

We'll probably have to agree to disagree there though.

But no way did Condit not come to fight. Again, it seems you wouldn't be satisfied with anything but him going along with what Diaz wanted to do.

Condit got asked about what Diaz was saying during the fight.

Condit smiled or smirked visibly after one of the things Diaz said and it was according to Condit right after he threw a spinning backfist or elbow and Nick said "what are we throwing spinning shit now?"

robj55;1075578 wrote:My take on it is that when damage and strikes landed are near equal the aggressor should win the fight. Not bashing Condit but he did not come to fight, he came to win on points. I lose respect for him for that but I understand why he did it. I thought Nick won rounds 1 and 2 with his strikes and aggression. 3rd round was close but I gave it to Condit, 4th was all Condit and the 5th was even in the exchanges and Nick nearly finished him twice. Like I said, you can't complain about the decision because it could have went either way.

The problem is that the number of.strikes and damage wasn't even close. Condit landed 151 Diaz landed 105. Condits face was.clean after the fight Diaz was messed up pretty bad.

Anyone ANYONEwho thinks Diaz won that fight is a huged biased Diaz nut hugger. The only part.Diaz won was moving forward or octagon control. That only comes into play when a round could be.a draw. Condit outstruck Diaz in both quantity and power it wasn't really close.

jmog;1075593 wrote:The problem is that the number of.strikes and damage wasn't even close. Condit landed 151 Diaz landed 105. Condits face was.clean after the fight Diaz was messed up pretty bad.

Anyone ANYONEwho thinks Diaz won that fight is a huged biased Diaz nut hugger. The only part.Diaz won was moving forward or octagon control. That only comes into play when a round could be.a draw. Condit outstruck Diaz in both quantity and power it wasn't really close.

lol really? anyone in all of MMA is a Diaz nut hugger if they think he won? Very credible statement right there. Maybe you're a condit nut hugger, terrible post.

I went back and forth on scoring but my initial thought was 3-2 diaz. I also think condit has a better shot of beating gsp so that's what matters to me, gsp finally losing.

Hopefully Diaz is a man of his word and stays quit. While he is at it he can take his brother with him. Who needs punks that run their mouths more than they fight.

Before I comment on the Diaz fight, I just want to say something about the Big Country fight. I can't stand Big Country but that dude HAS the strongest chin in all of MMA. Nobody should be able to take that kind of punishment and still pursue their opponent. I give him mad credit for that fight. Although I don't like the guy, I do enjoy watching him in the cage. (However, I did think it was a joke that they kept talking that he would get a title shot with a win.)

In regards to the Condit/Diaz fight:
1. First and foremost, I am perfectly okay with the decision. It was a close fight, but can easily see how the judges gave Condit the win. Not going to try to argue that Diaz won, although, wouldn't have been surprised if they gave him the win.
2. Literally RUNNING in the opposite direction is not footwork. Footwork would be having the the ability to stand in front of Diaz and NOT get hit...more shuffling to the sides...not RUNNING like a scared little kid.
3. I don't think Condit came in trying to outpoint Diaz, but rather just ended up that way. There were too many vicious attempts for him to be in there just trying to outpoint him. Didn't see it that way at all. Diaz is just elusive to vicious attacks...in general.
4. REMATCH! Come on, it was easily close enough to have a rematch before the winner gets GSP. Plenty of time as well. Who else should have a shot at Condit before he gets GSP? Hopefully Diaz will reconsider the leaving MMA thing. I know he is a boxer at heart, but he brings so much to MMA.
5. The Diaz brothers are an act....they act all BA for the attention, similar to Sonnen's antics. I read an article somewhere that says both brothers are pretty laid back, easy going guys when the cameras are off.

Zombaypirate;1075602 wrote:Hopefully Diaz is a man of his word and stays quit. While he is at it he can take his brother with him. Who needs punks that run their mouths more than they fight.

that punk had won 11 straight wins and was coming off whooping BJ Penns ass. Nate gets a title shot if he beats Jim Miller. If their trash talk takes their opponent out of their game and lets them impose theirs, why not do it? If you fall into their trap and get beat then that's your fault for not sticking to your game plan. Condit did a great job of not letting diaz get into his head