robj55;791049 wrote:Guida had no intention of doing anything but laying on pettis and defending submission, this and the miguel torres/might mouse fight last week shows that no matter how good your jiu jitsu is that you can't win a decision from the bottom

Raw Dawgin' it;792346 wrote:Street fights have no rules....so i wouldn't say being well versed in a martial art will always translate into "i can win any street fight"

jmog;792350 wrote:This is my biggest problem with MMA to be honest. Submission grapplying tournaments like Naga do a much better job of picking winners with their point system. Yes, you get points for takedowns, but there are also points for position changes submission attempts (more points the closer it really was), etc.

I do agree with you that right now in MMA, it is sickening that you can not win a decision off your back. I do believe whoever created the situation to get to the ground should get "points" for that whether it be a takedown or pulling guard. I do agree with you 100%, that being on top does not necessarily mean you are winning the fight/round.

The sad thing is that this is out of the UFC's hands, this is a athletic commision problem. The judges need better "training" on how say a Naga or Abu Dhabi submission grappling tournament is scored and apply that type of thinking once the fight hits the mat (with striking scoring added in obviously).

You and I are 100% on the same page with this one.

jmog;792350 wrote:This is my biggest problem with MMA to be honest. Submission grapplying tournaments like Naga do a much better job of picking winners with their point system. Yes, you get points for takedowns, but there are also points for position changes submission attempts (more points the closer it really was), etc.

I do agree with you that right now in MMA, it is sickening that you can not win a decision off your back. I do believe whoever created the situation to get to the ground should get "points" for that whether it be a takedown or pulling guard. I do agree with you 100%, that being on top does not necessarily mean you are winning the fight/round.

The sad thing is that this is out of the UFC's hands, this is a athletic commision problem. The judges need better "training" on how say a Naga or Abu Dhabi submission grappling tournament is scored and apply that type of thinking once the fight hits the mat (with striking scoring added in obviously).

You and I are 100% on the same page with this one.

I am not taking anything away from Guida, he did what he needs to do and actually has no choice to do something different. But, Pettis was attacking on his feet, and he was attacking on the ground, non stop. There should be something done with refereeing, otherwise we are gonna see way more of these fights, we are already seeing some. If somebody takes you down, but can't really get the better of the person he took down, they, at least, shouldn't count that takedown.

Its what I have been saying for a long time, if somebody takes you down and just holds you, they should count that takedown AGAINST him. Now, this was of course not the case with Guida, so you can give him the takedown, but on the ground, all the attacks (pretty much) came from Pettis, I am just saying, that should count for something as well.

People say, "Yeah, but submission escapes should count for something as well", yes, but NEVER more then the submission attacks.

Like I said in an earlier tweet, if somebody attacks on the feet, and the other one just defends, and only "once a while" throws something back. Then , even when the person who attacks doesn't land a strike, HE is the aggressor, and in a striking match, HE will win the fight if it goes to a decision.
In a ground fight, the guy who goes for submissions should be awarded more then the guy who defends them and only "once a while" tries one of his own, exactly the same as standing.

That's my thought about this whole thing, again, I don't wanna take something away from Guida, he played a smart game, but it needs to be said.

Godspeed and Party on!!

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I Wear Pants;799111 wrote:Don't know which one he's using. One I'm using is great though.