Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Dec 8, 2011 6:36pm
Alright, so last night I was watching the Xavier-Butler game with some of my XU buddies, and they were talking about how Holloway and Lyons are the best backcourt in the nation and how much better they are than Craft and Buford, and I just had to lol. So I'd like to get some opinions on this. I'll post stats below even though they obviously don't go in my favor, but just wanted to get the opinion of the OC on the better duo. Discuss
Holloway: 35.8 MPG, 17.7 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 4.7 APG, 2.7 SPG, 2.8 TPG, 38.7% FGS, 44.4% 3PS
Lyons: 30.7 MPG, 17.1 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 2.7 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1.4 TPG, 50.0% FGS, 40.0% 3PS
Craft: 28.6 MPG, 9.8 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 5.5 APG, 2.9 SPG, 2.0 TPG, 48.1% FGS, 33.3% 3PS
Buford: 30.6 MPG, 16.0 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 3.4 APG, 0.5 SPG, 1.5 TPG, 47.1% FGS, 46.2% 3PS
Holloway: 35.8 MPG, 17.7 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 4.7 APG, 2.7 SPG, 2.8 TPG, 38.7% FGS, 44.4% 3PS
Lyons: 30.7 MPG, 17.1 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 2.7 APG, 1.6 SPG, 1.4 TPG, 50.0% FGS, 40.0% 3PS
Craft: 28.6 MPG, 9.8 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 5.5 APG, 2.9 SPG, 2.0 TPG, 48.1% FGS, 33.3% 3PS
Buford: 30.6 MPG, 16.0 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 3.4 APG, 0.5 SPG, 1.5 TPG, 47.1% FGS, 46.2% 3PS
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Dec 8, 2011 6:53pm
While Holloway and Lyons definitely fill the stat sheet more than Bufford and Craft. You can't rate Craft just upon the stats. In college basketball this year there is no player I'd rather have than Craft at the point. He just destroys opposing guards.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Dec 8, 2011 7:17pm
Craft is the best defensive player in the country. Buford is probably a top 5 guard in the country.
I'll take Ohio State.
I'll take Ohio State.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 8, 2011 7:40pm
Holloway is incredible, but Buford is way better than Lyons in my opinion.
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Dec 8, 2011 9:17pm
Holloway is a punk. UC held his ass in check last year, I think he scored all but 2 pts. He also did not show up against Marquette and some other better teams. I still have my doubts about him against better competition.
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sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 8, 2011 9:56pm
First of all...he had 5 against UC last year.Little Danny;1007961 wrote:Holloway is a punk. UC held his ass in check last year, I think he scored all but 2 pts. He also did not show up against Marquette and some other better teams. I still have my doubts about him against better competition.
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And even Cronin said that had the two three-pointers that Tu took early in the game fallen instead of going in-and-out, Tu would have probably had a completely different game.
And when Tu goes off Saturday, you can blame that punk Kilpatrick.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Dec 8, 2011 10:07pm
that's your argument?sherm03;1008109 wrote:And even Cronin said that had the two three-pointers that Tu took early in the game fallen instead of going in-and-out, Tu would have probably had a completely different game.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 8, 2011 10:09pm
Yes. Because UC didn't "hold him in check." Instead, he had a few balls bounce the wrong way to start the game and it threw off the rhythm. Happens all the time in the game.
One thing UC did do well last year was keep Tu off the free throw line. I think he only went to the line two or three times instead of his usual 10-15.
One thing UC did do well last year was keep Tu off the free throw line. I think he only went to the line two or three times instead of his usual 10-15.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Dec 8, 2011 10:14pm
that's the dumbest thing i have ever read...if he would've dropped 80, he would've won!!sherm03;1008146 wrote:Yes. Because UC didn't "hold him in check." Instead, he had a few balls bounce the wrong way to start the game and it threw off the rhythm. Happens all the time in the game.
One thing UC did do well last year was keep Tu off the free throw line. I think he only went to the line two or three times instead of his usual 10-15.
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Dec 8, 2011 10:15pm
2pts... 5pts... not a whole heck of a lot of difference.sherm03;1008109 wrote:First of all...he had 5 against UC last year.
And even Cronin said that had the two three-pointers that Tu took early in the game fallen instead of going in-and-out, Tu would have probably had a completely different game.
And when Tu goes off Saturday, you can blame that punk Kilpatrick.
Yeah Kilpatrick talked some smack, but that happens by both sides before the shootout. IIRC, Chris Mack said some pretty nasty stuff last year on twitter. To go back to the OP, I guess SK would take Craft and Buford over the Xavier duo (as well as the UC backcourt over Hollway and Lyons).
I am going to post another thread on the Crosstown Shootout.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Dec 8, 2011 10:17pm
You clearly have never seen thinthickbigred post if mine was the dumbest thing you have ever read.DeyDurkie5;1008166 wrote:that's the dumbest thing i have ever read...if he would've dropped 80, he would've won!!
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Dec 9, 2011 12:31am
Terrell Holloway is the best of the 4. But Lyons, while really tough, is 4/4. So I guess Id rather have the combo of OSU over X. But I wouldnt dismiss it TOO quickly. Terrell (Tu is just gay and Ill never call him that) is #1, so that alone makes the discussion legit.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Dec 9, 2011 1:24am
Xavier is the consistent little brother of Ohio basketball. Of course their fans are going to say stupid stuff like that.
CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Dec 9, 2011 8:52am
How did that Presbyterian game go this year? Or is it one of those things that because no one was there, it just never happened?Little Danny;1007961 wrote:Holloway is a punk. UC held his ass in check last year, I think he scored all but 2 pts. He also did not show up against Marquette and some other better teams. I still have my doubts about him against better competition.
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CinciX12
Posts: 2,874
Dec 9, 2011 8:58am
And as far as the question goes, if you look solely at just these 2 guys on each team, I think you have to take Holloway and Lyons. But that is simply because Craft and Buford have significantly a more impressive supporting cast if they have an off night.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 9, 2011 11:46am
Craft because of his defense, and Buford because he is clutch...period.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 9, 2011 9:28pm
Holloway has been the most clutch player in the country so far this season.vball10set;1008958 wrote:and Buford because he is clutch...period.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 10, 2011 2:14am
As a duo, Craft and Buford.
As a single player, Holloway.
Though Buford can fill it up as well.
As a single player, Holloway.
Though Buford can fill it up as well.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 10, 2011 6:44am
so that means Buford isn't? smhMulva;1009551 wrote:Holloway has been the most clutch player in the country so far this season.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Dec 10, 2011 11:47am
You can't really go wrong with either one. I'll take craft and Buford just bc of crafts defense. I hate the buckeyes but I do enjoy watching this team play there fun to watch.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 10, 2011 2:11pm
No, but it means choosing Buford because he's "clutch... period" isn't a good criteria when one of the other options is more clutch.vball10set;1009743 wrote:so that means Buford isn't? smh
It's like choosing a rhinoceros "because it is heavy" when one of the other options is an elephant.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Dec 10, 2011 2:17pm
Hate to say it (as a Buckeye fan) but Buford wasn't "clutch" last year against Kentucky. I'll never fully forgive him for not passing to diebler on the last play...Unless we win it all this year
With that said, I would still take craft and buford beacuse I think if they played 2 on 2, they would win because Craft would lock Tu down and Will would light Lyons up
With that said, I would still take craft and buford beacuse I think if they played 2 on 2, they would win because Craft would lock Tu down and Will would light Lyons up
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Dec 10, 2011 2:41pm
After watching Holloway be a punk today...I'd never trade classy guys like Buford and Craft over that punk.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Dec 10, 2011 2:42pm
centralbucksfan;1010043 wrote:After watching Holloway be a punk today...I'd never trade classy guys like Buford and Craft over that punk.
No kidding. Bitch move
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Dec 10, 2011 2:46pm
Holloway and Lyons for me before this melee all started. Not anymore. No need for him to talk crap like that and instigate all this.Midstate01;1010044 wrote:No kidding. Bitch move